Wisconsin politics

Also, I sold my dream cabin this year to stay afloat and off of goverment programs. For that the government took $15,000.

This is a complete another issue, but what fires me up is the demi's will blantley think that kadfi is not a terriost. Now if he is not a terriost, I must be a angle from heaven.

My hats of to the teacher. Kids these days are awful and I feel for teachers. 40k.. Needs to be about 60k. No guidance of a error in there life. There no penalty to a kid doing wrong these days. Hang in there guys! 2012 is coming sooner than you think. Time to clean house again! On Senate side off course...

Speaking as a teacher, seeing what the wisconsin workers got as a union was way too much. As with many Unions they work well in the beginning and then get way too greedy. I guess that is what unions do, advocate for more money until there is no more money. Seemed to happen with the detroit workers.
As far as being a state worker/teacher I do not make any appologies for working 9-10 months. Anybody who wants to go to school and work for it etc. It is a free country. In good times i still make less than my equivalent degree in the private sector and do not get to ride the wave.
If you cut education we kind of shoot ourselves in the foot. Prison is much more expensive than school. those that drop out have a much higher chance of going.
Why can't we cut defense ? Is there too many people profiting from war ? seems like a billion a day for Iraq could go a long way here

the feds funnel $ to wisconsin for education .... we could start with d*ck chenny and haliburton

Mark,
Where are you?? Any comments?
Guys, Mark (laurel lake skier) is a teacher in Wisconsin and I hear even went to Madison.

eric lavine wrote: Ski, your so anti demmy, anti healthcare, anti government, a demmy sent gadafy a little message in the 90's....never heard from him again until recently and thats only cause his people are sick of his antics. teachers have absolutly nothing to do with a kids demeaner, it starts at home.

Yes sir.. Hate the goverment, big goverment transactions, i like some demmy's but all have amd stand for what I am against. So mostly anti demi.
Healthcare reform I am against goverment taking over its stand and forcing people to buy something. The current healthcare yes sir is broke in several areas, but it can be fixed. But you do not need to act on goverment control and polocies to fix it. The thing you have to understand is when the demmis get in there and raise taxes, over extend themselves. I always ask myself this question? Where is the money going to come from? 99.9% it comes from the tax payer, so that puts America and state goverments in high debit that we do not need.

AMERICA LOVES LOW TAXES, LOW GOVERMENT CONTROL, JOB CREATION, AND STRONG BORDERS!
Far as gadfi bro, we need to get him and murder him or put him in prison. He is a terriost and will strike again. He can not be trusted.

horkn wrote: If you look at how it really is, democrats tax middle and lower class less, and tax upper class more. Republicans tax the rich less, because they comprise the majority of the upper class.

Tom,
Do you have any hard written data to back this statement up or is it just something you pulled out of your a**?

horkn wrote: 8122pbrainard wrote: horkn wrote: If you look at how it really is, democrats tax middle and lower class less, and tax upper class more. Republicans tax the rich less, because they comprise the majority of the upper class. Tom, Do you have any hard written data to back this statement up or is it just something you pulled out of your a**? Go look it up. It's definitely nothing I've made up. I've simply paid attention to what is brought up by both sides.

Tom,
I have been paying attention however, I have not seen any hard facts to support your rather blatant general statement. Why should I go searching? I asked for facts and from your first answer it sure looks like you don’t have them?? Also, are you just referencing Wisconsin or the nation?

8122pbrainard wrote: horkn wrote: 8122pbrainard wrote: horkn wrote: If you look at how it really is, democrats tax middle and lower class less, and tax upper class more. Republicans tax the rich less, because they comprise the majority of the upper class. Tom, Do you have any hard written data to back this statement up or is it just something you pulled out of your a**? Go look it up. It's definitely nothing I've made up. I've simply paid attention to what is brought up by both sides. Tom, I have been paying attention however, I have not seen any hard facts to support your rather blatant general statement. Why should I go searching? I asked for facts and from your first answer it sure looks like you don’t have them?? Also, are you just referencing Wisconsin or the nation?

Hi Pete,

I know you are a good man and I don't want to get on your case. However, if you were paying any attention last December when Republicans (and most sadly Obama as well) pushed for the extension of the Bush Era Tax Cuts, then I think it would be very obvious that what Tom said above is true at the Federal level. Here in Wisconsin it is also true, since Gov. Walker pushed major tax cuts for corporations only a month ago, while seeking to balance the fiscal "crisis" on middle-income state workers. Which, though not *technically a tax, I think any sane person would agree is a functional equivalent.

If you (not just you Pete, but everyone) are not aware the wealth is being rapidly transferred from even wealthy people to support the uber-wealthy, you are not paying attention. This has been extensively written about, and the pace has quickened recently as people catch on to the magnitude of the problem.

If you wonder why you pay such high taxes, you should also wonder why Warren Buffet pays a higher tax rate (uber-rich) than does his secretary (you). If you are against taxing the filthy rich and corporations, you are free to do so. But you should at least know that in doing so you are cutting your own economic throat. And before you tell me "Wait! We can't tax the job creators!" I ask you "Where are the jobs today?" since we have historically low corporate and upper-income taxes. How much lower can we go? Maybe we should just skip the next decade or so and just start paying them to employ us. Oh wait... That is what we are already doing.

As far as pay for any given job, The law of supply and demand kicks in. As a 911 paramedic, I performed skills such as intubation, defibrillation, giving meds on written protocals,things normally reserved for physicians. I performed these skills in moving ambulances, ditches, and next to burning buildings. I spent time alone in the back of ambulances with unrestrained schizophrenics, drove lights and sirens through snow storms that closed schools,I had a chimney bounce of the side of my ambulance while I was in it treating a heart patient during straight line winds. All this earned me the above $21 an hour, the problem is there were people in line to get my job out of love/passion for the career. It is the same with teaching, there are too many good people that like to work with kids. The more supply the less it is worth. As a hardood floor installer I have suffered cuts as mentioned above but I am doing way better than most in my industry, only a small percentage of us are working and people would kill for my job. So I am not calling in sick or protesting, I am working, taking care of the customers that write the checks, doing my best to help my company make a profit so I can stay working. I have a personal problem when a business forces it problems onto its customers. I still hold a grudge against UPS for a package that got lost during their strike back in what, 1997? Their employees and managers made their internal problems mine, when getting paid by someone you owe them something, whether its private business or tax dollars. I will use Fedex when ever I have the option. I will also remember teachers calling in sick and closing schools the next time I hear "we need the referendom, its for the children". I hold government to a higher standard because they are taking the money from tax payers. I cannot choose the "other public school" like I can choose fedex to punish UPS.

i agree eric, healthcare is a joke. when i worked for anheuser-busch,i paid about 30.00 a month for healthcare,my wife pays about the same through the school board.but now that i am in business for myself i am find that for just my self a high deductible policy is about 200.00 a month now i realize that my former employer paid a portion of that for me but as soon as you throw a family plan into the mix like my father mother and brothers 18 an 12 it jumps to right at 1000.00 a month. Now if the country wants to go to a nationalized healthcare plan for the less fortunate thats fine however please do not push it on those who are paying for there own heathcare to finance it or even HAVE to take it. In my experience with hospitals and doctor good healthcare means good service. i dont want to go to the emergency room and sit with all the druggies and drunks. i wanna get in and out. and here in jacksonville Fl theres a bunch of that going on. im afraid if we switch to a nationalized heathcare plan there are going to be people that abuse it. and then when a real situation arises in my family were waiting on joe blow because he s got nothing better to do that night and hes got the sniffles.My last girlfriend was an RN and she said it happens all the time. I Know it might sound like im being a pompous jerk....and believe me im really not , i have just been in the real world long enough to know that there are so many sorry people out there collecting unemployment that could have jobs but there to sorry to go get them, why should they have healthcare on top of that.

Jamin,
Thanks for filling in some of the blank spaces. I guess I was expecting some stats in black and white and not what I would consider opinions. Still, your explanation has more info in it.

Yes, you are correct that even though I have been following the situation, evidently not to the detailed extent you have.

Jamin;

I would also like to say I am not being confrontational with you. I just enjoy a good political/tax share debate. Please don't take anything I say personally. Its not pointed at you, but maybe at some of your viewpoints/comments.   

You are right, the money has to come from somewhere. Did you know:

- That the top 1% of taxpayers pay ~33% of all taxes in the US.
- That the top 5% of taxpayers pay ~54 of all taxes in the US.
- That the top 50% of taxpayers pay ~95% of all taxes in the US.
- That the bottom 50% of all taxpayers pay ~4% of taxes in the US.

As you can see, we have a VERY progressive tax system already. The wealthiest 50% in the US are pulling the cart. The bottom 50% are riding in the cart. Fair???

So, what you are saying is that top earners should pay even more?? It is my opinion that EVERYBODY that lives in this country should pay an equal share. Assume a 17% flat tax.

- A person making $1MM will pay $170K.
- A person making $500K will pay $85K.
- A person making $100K will pay $17K.
- A person making $50K will pay ~$9K.

Doesn't it only make sense that everybody (except maybe the extreme indigent/truly needy) should be pulling the wagon? Don't they deserve to have a vested interest in this country instead of just saying....."We demand more, but the "rich" should pay for it"? Pretty soon, you will have 1% of the people in this country pulling the cart, and 99% riding. Is that fair??? And, pretty soon, that 1% will say to heck with it, and move to lower tax environments. Thats why people are leaving Wisconsin, New York, New Jersey, and moving to Florida, Nevada, Tennessee, and other low tax states.

And, by the way, Gov. Walker gave tax breaks to attract more business/residents to Wisconsin. You know businesses, they are the ones who create jobs and tax revenue streams.

I think the "worm has turned" on public sector unions, and we are seeing them in the death throws of trying to hang on to the sweet deal they have with Democrats, who keep each other power.

Wisconsin is just the start, and thats why they are fighting so hard up there to try and stop the movement in its tracks. The facts are that the public has awakened to this situation and is tired of paying big $$$$ to fund big salaries, extravagent pensions, and ridiculous work rules.   

Take for example the union bus driver in Madison I heard about last week. He earned $159K in 2009 (more than the mayor, and other top govt officials) because according to union work rules, he got the choice of big overtime schedules due to his seniority. A bus driver making $159K/yr. Wow!!! Nice work if you can get it! These are the union rules that are causing big budget problems for towns/cities/states.

Now lets get some folks from CCF, head down to the Great Dane in the shadow of the Capitol, I'll buy a round of Spotted Cow's and we'll have some more discussion on the topic.    

   

As Hansel said in his post. That is what and why people come to America, to live the American "Dream"! Able to work and become what you want.

Let say for example a he or she creates a business creates jobs for others and started with nothing. Maybe just a bank loan or a education or whatever the case maybe. And they strike it rich! Do we robb them blind and say you are not aloud to be rich in this country,or we gonna take half of it from ya and give it to a homeless person that may be illegal that has not worked a day in his life. That crap is just not right!!

Since 08 when Obama has taking over, goverment organizations have increased 30%, unemployment benefits extended, and the most is welfare is high too. Democrats love welfare programs.. If they could put us on welfare thats what they would want. Just like a socialist communist country. Na I will pass! I wanna work for my crap and be free! No handout here!!

What about the legislators heading out of state. Are they living up to whatever oath they took when they were sworn in? Are they thumbing their noses at the will of the people who elected the govenor and republican representatives? I am sure republicans were in the minority when the budgets for a lot of these bennefits were voted on, and if they diagreed they did not flee when things did not go their way. Does Wisconsin allow for recalling elected officials? Are their any efforts to recall they traveling Dems?