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Hey man,

I went to MMI 3 years ago and now work at a Malibu, Axis, Bayliner, Bently Pontoon dealership.

I can't stress enough how true what Erik Lavine was saying about buying a super expensive box. I have friends who purchased a snap on box at MMI with the 50% discount and regret every part of it when they see my craftsman box that does the same thing. If you want to buy any form of a snap on box buy one of the small snap on roll around boxes that you will spend 98% of your day working out of. I primarily use a huskey tool bag with the different stuff I need for a certain boat. Having a big freaking box is cool and I love the size of my box buy I only have 1500 dollars wrapped up in the box and I guarantee I have more overall space than that snap-on box.

My biggest suggestion of what to buy from snap on is ratchets, extentions, SWIVEL SOCKETS especially quarter inch. I have craftsman and snap on swivel sockets, my craftsman ones only get used when im working over the water on the back of an outboard. Otherwise i use the snap on ones.

Skip on the snap on air tools for the most part. Many of them from snap on are the same as IR (we have removed the cases from a few of our snap on ones and they have IR right on them). I would highly suggest buying the SMALLEST 1/4 air ratchet you can find. Blue point has a tiny one.

Personally for my regular sockets, theyre all craftsman. I haven't had any issues. They fit equally well and tight over a bolt or nut as snap ons do.

Spend the money on the tools, not the box! My instructors at MMI told me that and me and my credit are really glad I listened.

Heres a picture of my box. 5'10' tall 40" wide plus the 15" wide side box. Its all ball-bearing with grip latch. I LOVE this box and I beat the piss out of it

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eric lavine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-10-2011 at 9:55am
something that bugs me everyday is the 1/2" snap on socket i left on a boat, not because i lost it, only because it cost me 20 bucks...actually, I have my top box in my trunk as we speak, because i do alot of road work and its mobile, i can sneak into marinas without enveloping the yard master lol, true,
back when i got into doing this stuff you didnt have much choice on tool boxes and had to purchase from the tool guys, but as time progressed i found the 200.00 boxes are as much of quality as 2000.00 boxes. I buy tools that make doing things easier and more efficiently and just when you thought you couldnt re-invent the wrench they did, the "gear Wrench" the times i laid in the bowels of a boat and loosened a bellhousing bolt 1/8 of a turn at a time. I have them up to 1 and 1/4 and sidelined my Snap ons. If i need a tool i buy it, if a tool looks cool, i dont buy it, I have a bottem box full of cool tools that i just dont use.
in the younger days my boss talked me into these big fcn space station, 1986 ish, it was 3500.00 back then, i got pissed off and quit, he was out somewhere and i loaded the thing into the back end of a s-10....he got back and i told him fu i quit and he replied to me.....your not using my lift truck to load your box.....needless to say i drove off into the morning sky. and from that point on I always made my stuff easy to move...obviously, i cant work for someone else so things are a touch different now, and i still make my stuff mobile only for the ease of transporting to boats
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yesterday the gate said "All sub-contractors must check in" i told the guy who's boat im working on that if anyone comes over that you tell them that im your good friend or your paying the 200.00, if i pay it, its going on your bill....funny how things work, i have liabilty insurance in case anything should ever happen, but the marina's really frown upon outside people coming in.
Ive had signs thrown against my service truck, Ive had the prick yardmaster make me walk a half a mile with my tools instead of parking next to the boat, all kinds of sht.
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Eric, what kind of gearwrenches you talk about that are so nice?

I have another traveller on June bringing the rest of my stuff, maybe I could consider this ones as well.

The craftsman set has been nice so far, it lacks some stuff I ordered separatedly, But the total, set and add-ons bill will end up U$D550-600s. I think it's way worth it.
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Search gearwrench, it's the brand, they are sold at Sears as well as other stores. I've had mine for several years and don't leave the shop without them.
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I changed my raw water impeller last year with one... maybe two gearwrenches. I forget what sizes but I know it was SAE obviously. It was the only tool I wound up needing.
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7/16 & 1/2 plus a 5/16 nut driver for the hose clamps....
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If you want Snap-On there is nothing better. Do ya need it,thats up to you. I've got an OLD Snap-On and an OLD Craftsman. Both are still around. There are some great deals on them at racing junk.com under "tools".
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if you got pawn shops around you, they are filled with Snap on stuff...every mechanic needs a crack fix once in a while, watch e-bay, craigslist
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I guess getting my game plan together for tools and a box just got bumped up on the priority list, I got offered a position in the service dept. today.

Today was my first official day, which I wasn't expecting so soon. Fortunately I do have a good assortment of tools now, (Masterforce/Craftsmen) and a very cheep top/bottom chest which incidentally has a broken wheel now, from rolling a crossed the transition between asphalt and concrete:/ I was hoping to have time to see what tools I will using on a daily basis and find preferences so I wouldn't make the mistake of paying for Snap On if a particular tool won't be used enough to justify the price, but now I'm faced with the decision of buying cheap tools now and replacing later if need be or do I just bite the bullet? I have a very good friend who has $80,000+ racked up in tools and he initially started with Craftsmen and odds n ends. Looking through his box a 2 months ago(Matco triple bay)He has mostly Snap On with some Matco and regrets not buying what he could the first time around. The real problem is I'm unsure on what I will need because of my limited knowledge of outboards and stern drives. Don't want to drill the lead tech with tool questions I ask plenty w/o. As a side note I never thought I would enjoy turning wrenches so much:)
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Around these parts the outboards that have specialty tools are owned by the marina. That is not to say a mechanic can't buy his own but in the few I've worked at they were supplied by the establishment.
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a fcn doctor doesnt have 80k wrapped up in tools of the trade. 80k is a new CC, nice Porsche, nice down payment on a house,
what i expect a new hire to have is a basic set of hand tools up to 1' 1/4, you need to focus on absorbing knowledge from this guy with 80k worth of tools, not his tool collection, it seems your being intimidated because you dont have a tool collection yet, be patient, things will come to you as you advance in your trade. what you do with those tools and your abilty to figure out problems and not create problems is what your service manager will notice...your out there to make someone money efficiently and thats what matters, if you can master that, you will never have a problem with employment
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a wise old man told me long ago, if you surround yourself with successful people, you too will be successful, there are guys in shops that will avoid giving you information for the sole fact that you will learn more than them...find a guy in the shop that will take you under his wing and pass the knowledge on to you, listen to his everyword and if it doesnt seem right to you just clam up and do what he says because chances are he was in the identical predicament. dont try to be a know it all (unless you do know it all) lol, like some of us.... truly im just speaking from with in and experience, i got know it alls working for me and i just shake my head, but i also have go to guys that get the job done without creating headaches, and 100.00 tool sets
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and stay away from shop politics, they will poisen you, if you hang around the shop idiot with the big mouth "the establishment is out to get him" you too will start to think like that
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If it must be Snap-on have a look on Ebay too, Uk ebay Tool chest around $1400 less must be the same in the US.
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Originally posted by uk1979 uk1979 wrote:

If it must be Snap-on have a look on Ebay too, Uk ebay Tool chest around $1400 less must be the same in the US.



Caution...Might not be a bargain if you have to have it shipped.
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sorry for the babble but if i dont write it down it will bug me all day, which reminds me of a Mick, fresh off the boat from Ireland, I was the shop foreman, he said to me, I would make a better foreman than you, needless to say he was in charge of keeping the bathrooms clean from that day on....you always need to know who's in charge, even if you dont like him, someone of authority put him or me in this case in that position.....we had an understanding after that
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Originally posted by harddock harddock wrote:

Originally posted by uk1979 uk1979 wrote:

If it must be Snap-on have a look on Ebay too, Uk ebay Tool chest around $1400 less must be the same in the US.



Caution...Might not be a bargain if you have to have it shipped.


I'm trying to say look on US Ebay if there on over here must be the same in the US
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I'm trying to say look on US Ebay if there on over here must be the same in the US [/QUOTE]

I'm sayin if you can't go pick it up locally the shipping will surely take away most of the savings. Even in the US.
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I have been a motorcycle tech for 20 years. I have a 10,000 dollar box overflowing with tools. It took all 20 years to get that far. Listen to Eric & the Boat Dr, they know of what they speak. Its not the tools that make the tech, its the knowledge. Good luck in your new endeavor. In two years you'll wish you went to law school

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Originally posted by 05 210 05 210 wrote:

I have been a motorcycle tech for 20 years. I have a 10,000 dollar box overflowing with tools. It took all 20 years to get that far. Listen to Eric & the Boat Dr, they know of what they speak. Its not the tools that make the tech, its the knowledge. Good luck in your new endeavor. In two years you'll wish you went to law school

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Now that's funny. I did go to law school. Three years as a lawyer and left to do something else. Grass is always greener I guess.

I've told the story before. My Dad was a mechanic. Spent hours and hours working with him, but he never really let me learn the important stuff. Do all the major motorwork, and he'd tell me "get out of the way" when it was time to adjust the valves, tune the carb, whatever. He wanted to make sure I would not follow in his footsteps. Again, I guess the grass is always greener.


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Mike, the numbers show less than 10% pay off the loan working at a dealership.The work is dirty, the hours long and the pay could be better. This is not the dream that most students signed on for. I have made a living, bought a house and sent three thru college and bought a few toys, not to count the great memories made over the last thirty years . Living the dream then, lovin' it now.
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The Boat Doctor and i just attempted an alignment on my CC. husky sockets and craftsman screw drivers did the job so far. really wish i had a 10.00 set of pry bars from harbor freight would have mad the job easier., like i said i would have taken a 4 dollar pry bar over a 400.00 socket set today I would take the right tools for the job over the most expensive generic tools.
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+1 to mike about wishing I went to law school aka any school.

I came lit of MMI after paying 25,000 dollars plus having a job to pay living expenses and I was offered a job at 12$ an hour in New Jersey which is a state with a high cost of living. I've gotten a few raises and am making better money than that now but it's still nothing close to what my friends with college degrees are making and from what I've been told, it's tough to achieve higher than 30+ an hour in this business unless your a manager or an owner.

It's absolute BULLSH!T (sorry for the language Keith) how Underpaid mechanics are. For the amount of money and training many of us go through these days to come out of school and get offered 12 dollars an hour (which is less than I got paid one summer to clean dorms at MIT in Boston) is absolutely wrong.

Maybe I'm in the wrong area of the country but this industry isn't just fixing ski/wakeboard boats and taking them for test rides. It's fight starters in the worst designed 24 foot sea ray sundecks with a BBC in it that makes you curse like a sailor and stab your screw driver through their interior in frustration. That's the reality of being a boat mechanic
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still love the babling eric .ive been wrenching for 16+years,my yearly income has been the same for the last ten years even though my hourly rate has increased by $10.the industry is driving the real talent out,dealership techs are not what they used to be.good luck to all newbies in the service world,hopefully your not flat rate like me.not sure where i was going with this,i just needed to vent
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We aren't flat rate here in the North East. There's not a long enough season to bother with flatrate. Since march 15th we have been removing shrink wrap and getting boats running with the usual dead starter, dead battery, crapped out primary solenoid, oil changes, lower unit oil, trans fluid blah blah. So by the time we start "fixing boats" say mid june? We would have a 2 month area to work on flat rate, then we will be right back into shrink wrapping and winterization.

I just plan to try and learn and absorb as much as possible during that 2-3 months of fixing boats.
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i can't believe how much attention this thread got.i think its because we can all remember being in similar scenario.just remember debt/interest SUCKS
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I was not a four year grad student, after high school, no more . Started at a dealership sweeping and cleaning parts, begged to go to every I could be accepted at.
Merc and Yamaha had by far the best scool and seminars, OMC almost a waste of time. Mercruiser was held in Stillwater Ok.As your schooling increases so do your ability to see new "concept" long before they are at the dealership. Louisiana pay scale for techs is a little higher than that, most here work on 60/40 labor rate. Thats the only way I could work for a dealership again.Many are scared of a straight commision job, I loved it.
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Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

i can't believe how much attention this thread got.i think its because we can all remember being in similar scenario.just remember debt/interest SUCKS


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