Ignition and Starter Problem

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   I have a 1970 CC Mustang with the Holman and Moody in it.  Last fall the boat would not turn over.  When I turned the ignition to the first position all the instruments and fuel pump come on, but when I turned the key on over I got a loud buzz from the solenoid.  So I replaced the solenoid and now when I try to crank I get nothing (no buzz).  I went ahead and replaced the starter considering the one that is in it is 36 years old and I still do not get anything when I try to crank.  What else can it be?   

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brad7114 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: June-10-2004 Status: Offline Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote brad7114 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Ignition and Starter Problem Posted: June-13-2006 at 3:28pm
	I have a 1970 CC Mustang with the Holman and Moody in it. Last fall the boat would not turn over. When I turned the ignition to the first position all the instruments and fuel pump come on, but when I turned the key on over I got a loud buzz from the solenoid. So I replaced the solenoid and now when I try to crank I get nothing (no buzz). I went ahead and replaced the starter considering the one that is in it is 36 years old and I still do not get anything when I try to crank. What else can it be?
	Mustang Man Opelika, AL

jimbo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: September-07-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 473	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimbo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-13-2006 at 4:32pm
	Not trying to be a smart ass but is the battery good?

brad7114 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: June-10-2004 Status: Offline Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote brad7114 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-13-2006 at 4:58pm
	Sorry, should have eliminated that in question my first post, but yes battery is fine and the cables are tight and not corroded.
	Mustang Man Opelika, AL

jimbo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: September-07-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 473	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimbo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-13-2006 at 7:01pm
	The best bet is to use a volt metter to sort out where you have power (and where you don't. Check for power at the relay. Make sure the connections are good at the ignition switch. Make sure the ground to the engine block is good.

Tim D Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grand Poobah Joined: August-23-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2641	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tim D Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-13-2006 at 7:38pm
	You have an electric fuel pump? Check to see if the ignition wire going to the starter has 12 volts.
	Tim D

JEFF KOSTIS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: April-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 817	Post Options Post Reply Quote JEFF KOSTIS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-13-2006 at 9:28pm
	The "buzz" is usually a low voltage situation. You need a way to measure the voltage(a test light will even work fine). Another quick check of the batt cables is to turn on the stern light and try to start. If the light stays bright, cables are probably ok, if the light dies, check the batt cables/connections. Good luck!! Jeff...
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brad7114 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: June-10-2004 Status: Offline Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote brad7114 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-20-2006 at 6:10pm
	Thanks Guys, I am on the road traveling with work. I will be able to test these things this weekend and will let you know the results.
	Mustang Man Opelika, AL

brad7114 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: June-10-2004 Status: Offline Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote brad7114 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-27-2006 at 11:01am
	I still haven't had a lot of time to test these things out, but I had a mechanic tell me to attach a set of jumper cables to the battery and positive to the starter and ground the negative out and see if the starter engauges. I did this and you can hear the starter click (new starter), but should this crank the engine? What problem is this ruling in or out?
	Mustang Man Opelika, AL

Tim D Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grand Poobah Joined: August-23-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2641	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tim D Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-27-2006 at 11:13am
	That is a way you bypass a dead battery. You would still need to turn the key, or take a screwdriver and touch the positive and the ignition post.
	Tim D

77stang Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: May-19-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 342	Post Options Post Reply Quote 77stang Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-27-2006 at 11:21am
	first off, your cables dont have to "look" corroded to be bad. from your int*tial post through your update i agree with Jeff that it is acting like you got a low voltage situation - you still havent ruled out the battery, cables, or connections. to me your post and diagnosis through this point sounds like you have bad cables and have subsequently reduced the charge in the battery to an insufficient amount. hence, make sure you battery is fully charged when you use the jumpers.
	'77 Mustang 17

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