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8122pbrainard
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Gary,
You should have pulled one of those home with you ealier this week! |
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Gary S
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I just got back up at noon. I know 1 CE guy, they are working 16 hour shifts. He works out of Mt Prospect,and in Skokie right now and their putting them up in motels. I actually fixxed one phone line in the past 3 days. All our trouble has been either the customers electric is out and they only have cordless phones or our battery back up has run out or we have brought in generators and everything is working now when you get there.We had 1300 vrads or cev's down. Here's the new generators that were bought just for this trouble,nice turbocharged diesel JD's bought in Indiana.You think that was for tax reasons???
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8122pbrainard
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OMG, I'm back up on the grid!! Thank you ComEd or at least for the time being - I'll see if it holds out until tomorrow!! The boys must have had a shorter than normal safety meeting this morning! How many times do they need to tell there people that they are dealing with high voltage??
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Steve, You guys that live out in the "sticks" can do just about anything and get away with it!! BUT, keep in mind that this double throw switch should be SE (service entrance) rated and match the service rating into your shop and house. (200 amp?) If above the 200, they get big time expensive!!!$$$$ Also being outside it needs to be Nema 3R rated. Stick with the boat projects before you need to ask Pam for more money. We'll get into some details at GL!!! |
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8122pbrainard
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Joel,
You wouldn't be getting any sleep in my neighborhood ether. Last evening, all you could hear is the drone of the generators running. Everyone must have run out and got them!! |
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8122pbrainard
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Mines still out at home. At least ComEd improved the estimated repair time. They are now saying around 11:30 tonigt instead of noon on Friday. Time will tell if they get it.
AT&T's generator on the VRAD must have run out of gas. I didn't have any service this morning. |
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62 wood
Grand Poobah Joined: February-19-2005 Location: NW IL Status: Offline Points: 4527 |
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Pete,
Power is back on! Mannn, I love Com Ed! My generator is a 5700 watt unit. Would have to look up surge capacity,etc. I mainly got it for instances like the last few days and overall it worked good. just gotta get rid of the drop cords... I have also condsidered a double throw main disconnect at the pole where power is split to the house and out buildings. I could control any circuit I want by using the main house breaker box. |
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8122pbrainard
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Steve,
The important question I neglected to ask you is how big wattage wise is this generator you have? What's it surge capacity? HP also come to play here too. Just like a electric motor that draws extra amps at start up, the back up gen set needs to be able to handle it as well. The motor pulling 4 to 5 times amps is no problem since you basically have an unlimited supply of power off the grid, however, a gen set is different. The generator can handle the momentary load but you need the HP of the engine to keep the generator at the close to proper RPM. If not, the load will pull the engine RPM's down, less amps and you end up with a "catch22 problem". I'll look at the SAE rating for the recommended oil rating on the gen set. |
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8122pbrainard
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Steve,
To fill you in a little bit more on the transfer switch, I did do some online checking/searching/pricing. Being a Northern customer for many years, I was very familiar with them handling them but. I ended up with Generators Direct. Their pricing was just slightly better than Northern Tool but what really surprised me is they are in Racine (WS.) and real close to the Reliance OEM. Maybe even the same company?? You never know at times with the internet!! But, I did the online order and had the switch the next day. Not saying you'll get the same service considering you're location way out there in the "sticks"!! BTW, if you really want to see if Pam will "approve" the purchase, look into the whole house and an automatic transfer switch like I did on the house up north. We can talk at GL because I have some good info on them as well. |
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62 wood
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Pete,
no help on the rollers vs flat. My guess would be flat.. do they have the oil service type recommendation? Mine is McColloch powered (looks like a Honda rip-off) I think I just use straight 30 in it. btw, I just called ComEd's wonderful automated system. Says it has analyzed our sitation and power should be restored by July 14th at 11:59 PM. Funny, I have NOT seen ONE frickin CE truck today anywhere!!??? You got 'em all in your area? |
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8122pbrainard
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As mentioned, I wasn't able to find the back up generator of choice 2 weeks ago - pickings were slim and I'm sure the same holds true now. I ended up with a Briggs but would have easily spent the extra for a Honda inverter. Here's my question - this thing is going to need an oil change. Are these Briggs OHC's roller's or like the old ones flat tappets? I have plenty of VR1 around!! The manual is useless!!!
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8122pbrainard
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I love it!! I just went to the ComEd automated system to get some info (they don't have live people anymore since they all quit due to fact they couldn't handle customers screaming and yelling at them!! ) So, the answer is noon on Friday!!! I have a feeling that will get pushed out. Man, I might be late for the GL activities!! I will call my ComEd account rep that handles our 1 meg average at the plant tomorrow!!
Me too, they just seem to be driving around racking up the OT!! |
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8122pbrainard
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Yes, the manual transfer isn't like a whole house automatic. I selected both furnaces (no AC), the frig, two kitchen circuits for the micro and stove (gas), a circuit in the garage that feeds my freezer but that also includes the garage door openers, the sump pump (and one light in the basement) and of course the family room where the computer is located. Gary and John, Construction must have gotten a gen set hooked up to the VRAD that services my house. This morning (3:30 am) the battery back up had evidently run out but today when I got home around noon I had service again. Joel, My generator is in my side yard and I intentionally pointed the exhaust away from any of my neighbors!! |
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62 wood
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Pete,
So you have to pre-determine which breakers your feeding the new panel into? I am also going to home fire up the generator.. Joel, some people are plain idiots...I only run it every 4 to 5 hours, a couple hours at a time. Just enough to keep the beer cold and the pizzas in feezers fozen. |
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M3Fan
Grand Poobah Joined: October-22-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3185 |
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Our power was out until about 5AM. I wanted to put a bullet in the gas tank of my neighbor's generator across the street. The blowhard has to advertise to the whole neighborhood that he has a generator- puts it RIGHT in the middle of the (hard, flat, asphalt) driveway, flanked by his house and garage behind it. Runs it ALL NIGHT. It was like a jackhammer in my head all night. All other neighbors had their generators in the back yard or somewhere else and they were all inaudible.
After running an extension cord to my (other, quiet) neighbor's generator for years, it's time for us to get one. No doubt there- finally breaking down and doing it. |
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8122pbrainard
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BTW,
I'm now home to refuel. Still no word from Com Ed. We didn't loose power at the plant but we did loose the net. Then with it down, no phones!! We went with a VOIP (voice over internet protocol) system and it S##**!!! |
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8122pbrainard
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Steve,
No connection is needed to the breaker panel buss. The switches on each circuit are SPDT so when flipped, it disconnects you from ComEd and sources the back up. For the 240, you just use two of the switches. They come pre wired with two wires for each circuit. One goes to the selected breaker in the panel and the other is wire nutted to the removed wire. I went with the outside inlet option so I don't have to have a window open for the power cord. That was the hardest part since we need to hard pipe in our area. I had to refresh my memory on the EMT bender offset!! |
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62 wood
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8:45 AM ... no power now for 26 hours... thank God for the generator. I do need to ditch the drop cords and get it hooked into electric panel. No way to run the 220V well pump = no water..
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81nautique
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Close to 900,000 without power so I guess we're lucky to get ours back last might about 9:30. Still 300,000 without this morning. That was a nasty blast that came through here. I have 2 trees down, one just fell around my tow vehicle ungulfing it but didn't put a scratch on it. Neighbors were all out cutting trees last night, I was packing the camper for Green Lake, the chain saw can wait until next week.
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62 wood
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btw, the neighbor stopped three com ed trucks cruising the neighborhood this afternoon. They said they really couldnt give him any info on power restoration as they werent linemen. what the H? just driving around to make it look like something was going on?
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62 wood
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Pete,
let me guess...your not a big fan of Communist Edison? well, this time we lost power about 6:45 this morning. Com Ed's wonderful customer service line said some customers may not get power back for days. . Sooooo , I got the generator out tonight, and, you guessed it, drop cords all over the place. How does that transfer switch work? must tie into the bus bar somehow? How does it disconnect the main service coming in? |
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8122pbrainard
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Another interesting little fact about the "rocket scientists over at ComEd is right now they have a natural gas "peaker" running not far from my home. WTF!!! They need the extra KW's on the grid when well over half of my neighborhood is down?? IDIOTS!!!!
Yes, I know how the :grid is set up and the redundancy that goes with it. considering the area of all the customers that are without power, there should be no reason to run that peaker. It's just another cost to add onto our electric bill!! It will be interesting talking to my ComEd account rep in the morning!! |
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8122pbrainard
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Well,
The house is starting to get on the warm side,!! T stat is indicating 78!! I wish the generator I bought had the guts to handle at least one of my AC unit's but doing the math, it just can't handle it. I didn't even bother to wire in the transfer switch to ether of the outside compressor/condensers!! Good old ComEd is still "up in the air" with the repair time!!! What gripes me is they just passed a rate increase under the assumption that that rates will go down after they install the computerized metering system. (up to install and then down when they get rid of all their meter readers - BS!!!!!!) MG, I've had that up north for years!!! Nothing special- the meter (gas and electric) simply transmits a digital signal over the existing power lines!!! |
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Well, the transfer switch is working. I'm at home running off the generator. We had yet another storm roll through earlier today and they are saying another bad one this afternoon. I sure didn't think I'd have to hook up that generator so soon!! I called the house from work and as soon as the answering machine didn't pick up the call, I knew the power was out. It will be interesting to see how long it takes ComEd to get it back on this time!! Downed trees all over so they just might have to call in the specialist's that know what gaffs are!!
I just phoned in to report the outage. I figured I had better do that since one time several years ago everyone thought another neighbor reported the loss. It was about a day when I phoned and found out no one had reported it!! Anyway, according to ComEd's automated system, this storm hit even more people. They are saying 560,000 customers are out and, do not have any estimates on the repair time!! |
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After the 4 day power outage the week before last and then going out and getting a generator, I decided to take the generator back up a step further. It sure isn't the whole house automatic transfer natural gas I installed up north (the Y2K scare!!!) but it's sure more convenient than having extension cords running all over the place plus having to pull the frig out from between the kitchen cabinets. The one up north, I simply pulled the meter and went to work but down here, a whole house gets very involved with permitting, inspections, licensed electricians (electric) and even a licensed plumber (gas piping). Now, I still need to be home, pull the generator out and plug it into the outside power inlet, start it and then switch each circuit manually but as mentioned, no open windows with extension cords all over.
Gary, This last Thursday evening, we again had a storm roll through. This time it knocked out one of our buildings at work in Schiller Park. Same scenario as at my house - utility core servicing two streets (one side of each) with no access with a bucket truck. Since it was work related, I did talk at length with our ComEd rep. He told me no one is trained in his area for gaffs anymore!! The last time he saw them used was close to 3 years ago!! Ladders yes but, in this case, ComEd once again took the easy way out and called in an outside contractor. 3 broken cross arms on 3 poles and the cable that went with it were down. This repair needed to be done the old fashioned way - "come-a-longs" getting the lines back up. BTW, ComEd crews just "repaired" ALL the cross arms last fall in the area and had us shut down for a day to do the work!! Nice job ComEd! |
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never left the garage without some of these. Very good idea. john |
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Thankfully, we have pics. It's been a ride though. We started at $1800 and now we're at $350. We'll soon be under a hundered and we'll pay for the guy who showed up, drank some coffee, smoked some cigs; turning a 20 minute job into an hour.
Initially, they wanted to replace an 800 foot run for 1 TV drop? I think they expect some companies to simply pay it. Pretty Shi77y. |
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Greg you should carry some disposable cameras with you for your side of the story. After all the ones coming after you are not the ones who wrote up the claim
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Even into the bone in some cases. Everyone is broke! On a side note; a large cable company is trying to charge us for a bucket truck to repair a drop we cut in a neighborhood that has all of its utilities underground. Maybe they need to see over the treeline to complete the repair? |
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