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BuffaloBFN
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Re-inventing the wheel is a much better pass-time than looting.
Roger, that cradle turned out well. I'd say it's worthy of being called art. I hope it wears as well as it looks down the road. Did you, or has anyone, thought about a mod that would speed up the bolting process on the mount to cradle? |
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uk1979
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uk1979
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Greg I am going to use the engine mount bolts to hold the cradle in along with hook under tabs at the front of the cradle which are glassed onto the stringers, so if you remove all the bolts from mount to stringers lift the engine/drive out the cradle should slide back 5/8 and lift out,bonded bushes into the stringers will take the bolts. That's the plan we will see if it works, and yes I will need to remove the pylon first too, look a page back I took a picture of a mock up. I think this what your asking, Cheers Roger. |
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uk 1979 part2
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This how the rest turned out,
Made the plug by mixing in fibers of carbon in the epoxy then put the mix into some tubes I had (these are what our router bits come in)making sure no air was trapped,to stop the heat build up and melting the tubes,just put them in water filled pots and left to dry. Then spun down to fit dilled and glue in a stud to hold the pin in Then glued the plug into the base Spun up a glass base glued on with a lead up for the glassing in. checked the weight of the old and new 499g for new old was 505.5g so as good as the same. Fitted an O ring to pin as I will need to unscrew to slide the cradle out |
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uk 1979 part2
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Then set in the hull with the cradle and pylon once set removed pylon and cradle and build up with carbon sleeving and bi axial carbon have 9 layers now at different angles.
Used some carbon thread to hold it all together |
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BuffaloBFN
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You lost 6.5 grams of strength...it'll never work.
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TRBenj
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Roger, really creative, cool stuff going on here- nice work!
Im curious- what drove you towards fiber on a few of these parts? How does working with it compare to epoxy/glass? Is the strength/weight significantly higher? Ive considered the pin vs. socket thing before, glad to see someone actually implement it! |
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BuffaloBFN
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Tim, the strength is a good bit higher and the weight is similar.
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Keeganino
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Well said Tim. Roger I love the stuff you come up with. Very cool to see what one can do with a bit of ingenuity!
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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uk1979
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Thanks Tim,I just thought what would bond in well to the hull so it had to be a composite of some kind so why not try carbon its not that expensive over here,as to how it works the twill weave I use on the cradle can be a pain to hold down you need it to be nice and sticky epoxy to go onto. The carbon bi axial is a treat to use it will lay out well and go round shapes well its like wet cloth when pre wetted on a bench, I also think it uses less epoxy to wet out than glass.
Thanks Keegan glad to here you enjoy my playing around with stuff |
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uk 1979 part2
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I had a go at my wrapped foam, just wasn't happy with it so played with shrinking it first tried a map gas gun which worked but did not spread the heat enough so then went with a electric heat gun 1500w worked great and shrank the PVC DPC all over, it got me thinking so tried it over polystyrene with good results, I used gaffer tape to hold it together before heat shrinking,then just added new when all shrunk round.
Before heat gun After heat gun Polystyrene wrapped in PVC |
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BuffaloBFN
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I think Ken & Barbie will like their new dock!
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8122pbrainard
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Hey Roger,
Is that some real wood I see in your shop? What is "gaffer" tape. We need an English to English translation! |
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Dreaming
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Pete - Gaffers tape is much like duct tape, but is easier to remove. it is commonly used in stage productions for securing things like light cords, and microphone cables... it's nice stuff, but pricey on our side of the pond! last I checked it was about 30 bucks a roll |
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JoeinNY
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Also known as gaffers tape on this side of the pond...
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uk1979
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Yes I have a few sticks of real wood around the shop and tones of Mdf, I was just not sure what you guys call it over there I'm still learning American. I do feel that wrapped Polystyrene could be a cheaper alternative to foam by using old packing blocks and gluing together then shape and wrap with PVC just not sure if there are many grades of Polystyrene? It would be good to see what the collective mind here thinks. We need to drive cost down so more old boats are saved a long term thing I'm looking into is a glued in stringers only, like some new boats now do and some jet ski are. Kris, yes it not cheap here £3 to £12 a roll depending on size and yes much the same a your duck tape. Thanks Joe, so I was not to way off with the name. |
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eric lavine
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puertorican chrome?
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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This where we are at with chrome... left to right Ali,Chrome,Steel(look for the magnet) and below all Mdf unit in Steel then acid rusting agent on it there is a magnet holding the picture up. |
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Shall see if this works, got some cheapo burst pipe detectors off the nett they are battery operated with a buzzer if water hits the senders, put some extra epoxy around the wire at the sender heads to seal more,(the original seal looked like clear silicon)then epoxy to the low points in the hull that will be sealed up, I have 5 set in and shall wire them up to a 6 way rotary switch and one buzzer marked up as to where they are.
It will be interesting to see if all stays dry after all the CCF mods |
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Kristof
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It's real fun to watch all the stuff you come up with Roger!
I really need to plan a trip acroos the Channel to come see it in person... |
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uk1979
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Kristof don't forget all this stuff is down to Belgium Beer power
I hope your beer travels with you |
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MattB
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Amazing thread Roger.
I might need to head down south to Hemel one day to pickup some new skills or just marvel at the work you have completed. I absolutely love the carbon fiber look to the cradle, absolutely amazing. Threads like this just confirm that this is the right forum to be on. Keep the great stuff coming. |
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uk1979
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Thanks Matt,all the info you need is here on this site to keep that sharp looking boat of yours tip top for some of us fooling around with these US icons help you relax Enjoy the site and the great knowledge on it along with the members |
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josemcordero
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Hey roger
It Jose Cordero I sent you the message on the cad drawings my email is josemcordero@gmail.com |
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uk1979
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Hi Jose, have your mail and sent the files,please read as many of the stringer rebuilds as you can and build up a plan that suits you,lots of great tips on here to make it all go well.
Please start a thread of the build to help others and any tips you find along the way. Thanks for saving another 70' SN Roger. |
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Im interested to see pictures of your project after you have completed it. Will you post some current pictures of the boat soon?
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nautique78
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Roger may not. I think he's shifted over to wood hulls!!! As long as he doesn't try to put some MDF in it, I think he'll be OK!! Roger, You know I will never stop poking you about that non wood "substitute" IE MDF!! BUT, you are doing fantastic projects with it! I envy your skills. |
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Ditto Pete, Roger, have we made final plans yet... Boat dr
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Will do just been waiting for the temp to rise here so I can do the final part I have planed. Been working on the engine and other parts |
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Thanks Pete, I'm only using Mdf for formers But I have been tempted to try there is a water proof one |
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