Election 2012 Is Comming

I see any of the republican candidates as being better than what we have, But I am not sure if they are good enough to get us out of this.

phospher wrote: OverMyHead wrote: what does it take to convince people that keynesian economics does not work? Ever hear of the new deal? What is your interpretation of how we got out of the great depression?

Phil we had keynesian economics in place under Bush with spending increases each year of his administration, all it gives us is artificial bubbles. If it really worked we should have never gone into recession, in fact we should be booming. Wait, I bet we just did not spend enough, it is amazing how that is always one sides answer to everything.

Have you noticed the college girls dont faint at the sight of Obama anymore? That is because they have graduZtged and are now looking for jobs. They must feel a bit like when a guy seet talkes them into bed, and then never calls them anymore.

eric lavine wrote: are you still opposed to taxing the millionaires Dave? part of the bill requires this, go ahead, spin it lol

It's not millionaires, it's the 'rich'; and prezbo's definition of rich scares the socks off of me!

He does like to use the millionaire line because it sounds like something everyone can agree on, but please look into his definition. I think it's anyone earning over 200k right now...it was over 250k. I also believe that these are gross #'s and not net. This will put a rope around the neck of small business, and remember he's never run a lemonade stand.

Eric, when I look at the biggest problems this country faces, some are symptoms and some are disease, we have jobs going offshore, high unemployment, lower goverment collections,stagnant economic growth, these are all symptoms. We have a government that for decades has spent $1.50 for every $1 in new revenue it has generated, a government thats only two fixes to any problem are more money or more regulation, these are diseases that cause the symptoms. Will increasing taxes on the rich cure any of the disease? We need to cut out the cancer, not treat it with an asprin.

if you cut, cut cut, all your doing is feeding the unemployment line....can you guys mutter create, create, create, I dont understand you guys, you want to put more people out of work only aggravating the situation

Eric,So how many guys are you going to hire under Obamas new plan? If the answer is zero what would it take to get you to hire an additional person? Please answer this.

Steve Wynn and Bernie Marcus

say no more, all thats missing is a blindfold

Have many favorite conservatives Beck, Hannity, but my favorite is Ann Coulter. And she is sexy...

Demonic

I refuse to answer, you mentioned 2008, Obummer as called wasnt even a household name, there was a guy running the country into the ground named Bush, your not being a smartass Steve in anyway....give credit where credit is due, my business is being run on the coat tails of the Bush administration, 40% of the countries wealth was stolen under Bush, Bush went into a debt free economy, Obama didnt, the books were in the deep red and even heading further due to policy and war activity and i feel that Obama got the brunt of it, I feel yes I know some dont like him because he is colored and this causes some problems, but, I cant blame the failing economy on him, he is at least trying to do the right thing in my eyes but keeps hitting "in a bubble" roadblocks, that clip from above is so true to me. you ask any old timer who was one of the best presidents during there stay here on earth and most will answer Bill Clinton, I went from 10 bucks in my pocket to a million and then back to 10, and during that time it was under a president named Bush....thats how I gauge things and Obama isnt even relevent in the equation. I really think he has the american people in mind first, I put all the bull *************** aside, fox news, msnbc, texans, cbs, because its to biased, in my mind he is trying to do things for me and you, its not a new chalkboard, its a cluttered mess and he just happened to get caught in the middle of it, maybe a scapegoat?

Eric.
First off I dont care what color the guy is... makes no dif to me. This guy is good at 'smoke and mirrors" tactics, starting the first spring he became pres bragging how many jobs he saved..Where? We were still closing factorys and unemployment is not going down.

I understand he inherited a mess, but sometime the dems need to start standing on their own and quite blaming the past...start doing something for the future. I just dont see what obam is doing to improve the business economy.

Speaking of the past ..when will BOTH parties grow up and work for the good of the people? I've said it before, I get sick of the dem vs pub crap while we are taking it in the shorts.

I also think part of the problem is most of the politicans DONT HAVE A CLUE what it takes to run a small business, much less, to start one. Does anyone know, how many of them have ever ran any kind of small retail or service oriented business? They are soooo far removed from what is going on in the middle class today its not funny.

They need to curb spending..get rid of most subsidies, and let free enterprise fall where it may.

While this has all been covered before and it is tending to bore me I hate to see poor eric left out on his own.. so I will go back to devils advocate..

Let the best man win..

We tried that, it lead to the robber barrons, monopolies, owing your soul to the company store, and the great depression. In a completely unregulated free market there is no such thing as a small business they are wiped out by large entrenched interests, and those willing to lie cheat and steal to get ahead, and all society is robbed of the innovation and efficiencies they could have brought to the market. It is not a free market that results in growth and prosperity but rather a fair market.

The current republican plan is to say no to anything while simultaneously saying that government can’t create jobs while blaming the democrats for not creating jobs.   Then they propose to create jobs by lowering tax rates (to decrease the deficit?) and removing regulation. Bush tried that already and it didn’t work.. in fact it lead to extreme property value inflation and eventually a global economic meltdown, I will take a republican politician seriously when they bring something to the table other than more talk about deficit reduction that they have no history of being able to provide..

The one real change that would effect the ability of small businesses to hire workers, and encourage innovators to open new small businesses is to nationalize health care and remove that increasingly out of control expense from employers. But we can’t talk about that because even though the rest of the civilized world has no problem pulling it off the large entrenched interests in our country have half the country convinced they will be waiting in lines to see death panels..
Pay for what you spend to provide the things needed to lubricate the wheels of capitalism – infrastructure- healthcare-education.. , regulate as much as you need to keep a level playing field and then let the best man win.

Reasonable people argue about how much and what types of taxation and regulation are necessary.. those who start by saying we don’t need either should forfeit their place at the table.

As for what the moron in chief has now proposed it is what he campaigned on.. going back to pre bush tax cut levels for those making more than 250k a year, why he didn’t do it previously just because the morons in congress threatened to filibuster it I don’t know but it is what the majority of the country knew it would take to pay for the stimulus spending required to pull us out of the great recession. Fact is the moron in chief is not proposing to raise taxes now either, he is proposing to increase spending now to jumpstart the economy while in 2013 rolling back bush era taxcuts and then in 2017 significantly limiting what can be written off by those who make more than 1 million in taxable income a year which could increase the tax rates on capital gains for those that make above a million dollars a year.    


All of that together doesn’t even get us close to back to the tax rates in place while Reagan was president

He is also proposing cuts to medicare, government employee benfits, and reduction of subsidies..

It sure aint’ perfect but it makes more sense than jumping back on the train that bush had us going down.. and since the republicans are refusing to offer any other options and none of you guys are yet moving to start a third party

You should treat the Government like a teenager.

If they are doing well and working hard and Not Wasting Money, you
try to help them out and contribute to their wants along with their
needs.
Until the Government stops wasting tax payer money, I do not want to
contribute any more. I could care less how long it take a shrimp to
get tired of running. The WH does not need 100 Chev Volts. They can take
the bus or their own car cheaper.
NC DOT gets hammered all the time about having cars sitting that they do
not use so what is their solution..... Let the state employees drive
them back and forth to work to put milage on them so that they show
usage.

Stop wasting the money I give you and I would consider giving you more.

Yep the secret service decided to create two buses, one for the president and one for the eventual republican nominee so the secret service could provide for their protection while traveling, as they are required to do. Buses have been used for this task since 1980, in the past they used to lease them, add millions of dollars of defensive and communication equipment and then at the end of the lease remove all the equipment (due to its secretive nature) and return the bus and start over.   Now they chose to buy 2 two and keep and maintain them as a cost saving measure. The manufacturer of the bus is in fact the Canadian company prevost as they had the bus with the ability to carry the weight of the equipment. Do we really think the president can ride around in a cab while effectively ruling the country? The 1.1 million dollar bus doesn’t blow my mind.. I have been in a 400k motor home owned by a farmer and it wasn’t even armor plated.

The real pimps out there have two story mega buses like Will Smith, bobby Di Nero, and Vin Diesel and those rent for 500k a year.

It is an interesting diversion but compared to one fighter jet or the subsidies oil companies get from the government in a year all these "frivolous" expenditures together don't amount to anything