Election 2012 Is Comming

john b wrote: They held a reception at Fermilab for everyone who had worked there, on the day it was turned off for good. I was lucky enough to be the Dr's guest at that reception. It was both exciting and sad to see all of the scientists from around the world together in one place, possibly for the last time in the US. Here is a photo of the Dr. at the reception.

Holy.......



Is that guy as stoned as he looks?

phospher wrote: john b wrote: Go green & save a flush? Is that how they do it in Texas when they're camping and listening to country music? We prefer indoor plumbing and homes without wheels up here! People like cat don't realize that every major advancement in the US and the world can be directly linked to science and technology. Who ended World War II? Physicist, e=mc2. How did the north succeed in beating (I know, Cat would probably be for the confederate army) the south during the civil war? Advanced technologies! The list is endless...

Thats how we do it in texas... Not all the time! Well first off I am for the conferederate flag which is a symbol of the civil war.

Yes, move to a country that offers free health care that is better than our exclusionary system, opportunities for scientists, emphasis on technology, concern for the environment. Sounds like the intelligent thing to do. After all, all of our manufacturers have done it. There are really very few jobs for the average family guy. They used to work in factories manufacturing the American made products we were proud to buy. Now they must take jobs at Wally World with no health benefits just to try to keep their families fed. We can't make an economy work flipping each others hamburgers. Not everyone is capable of obtaining a PHD and starting a hedge fund. The citizens who have something to offer of global significance will shop for a position with an institution that supports their research. Increasingly that is not in the US. Most American companies not only don't manufacture the products they market, but they don't even design them. They leave that to the design companies in India, China, Japan and elsewhere to employ the engineers to design their products. Even the big pharmaceutical companies have given many of their scientists and research, and engineering teams the boot in favor of having their research done by those in other countries. Parts for our weapons and warplanes are manufactured by those who could be our adversaries. But in the corporate mindset that's ok, its money, me, and country. I am very fortunate. I was able to retire at 53. I am enjoying it very much, and although I don't have as much as some, I have more than the vast majority. I will never forget the suffering, hardship, and agony I have seen on the street, and I will never belittle anyone for being unable to find work after the company they have worked for moves its manufacturing overseas. All I read in your post is hatred for those who have less than you. Do you really think that anyone in this country should have to choose between their medicine and feeding their children? When I had a heart attack two years ago do you think the hospital I arrived at asked about my insurance? They just rushed me off th the cath lab and installed two stents. About $100,000 later I was still alive. They do that whether you are insured or not. You are paying for the health care of the uninsured. Your hospital must charge more to those who can pay to cover the increasing losses insured from treating the uninsured. Maybe you propose a system where we let the serious emergency cases die at the door, as long as their bodies don't obstruct the pathway for you to enter. Everyone here says they love the USA, but all I hear is the greed of those who don't want to pay for the opportunity this country, on a decreasing level, affords us in opportunity. Remember, an American flag on your foreign car does not make you a patriot. And as far as I see it the confederate flag is a symbol of the most tragic time in our countries history. A time when citizens would fight for their right to own another human being.

Quite true. I am a retired private pilot, I sold 1139F in 2000. I believe all airports with no scheduled commercial flights should have all government funds yanked immediately. Let the pilots pay for their FBOs with their own money in the form of landing fees or let the airports fold. I am sick of supporting them with my tax dollars too.

phospher wrote: wingwrench wrote: The libs crack me up. Can't get free health care and free education, no problem, just move to a country that will give it to you. Here's a concept, get a job and pay for it yourself and stop relying on the rest of us to support your lazy ass. Get a job? Please inform us as to where these great jobs are, so that I can tell the rest of the unemployed. You mention OWS, they actually had things in common with the tea party before the radical GOP highjacked them.

Hey Phil,

Tell Obama to get his damb foot of the private sector and quite taxing corporate america. maybe we can get a job making more than 14.00 hr. The only jobs he has MAYBE created are in the goverment sector.

RADICAL, GOP'S!!!??? I think we need to rephrase that. The left are the radicals bro!!

Yea, we saw how well it worked when the government backed off of regulation with the banks and insurance companies.

here is an interesting fact, in 2007 we imported 700,000 Kia's, 700 thousand, in case you missed the comma, and exported 6000 american auto's to them under the free trade agreement...A little imbalance there I would say
do you realize what would happen to this economy if Ford got an order for 700,000 cars?

eric lavine wrote: here is an interesting fact, in 2007 we imported 700,000 Kia's, 700 thousand, in case you missed the comma, and exported 6000 american auto's to them under the free trade agreement...A little imbalance there I would say do you realize what would happen to this economy if Ford got an order for 700,000 cars?

We may not be selling Fords in Korea, but we're selling a bunch of Buicks in China!

[2 million a year for the last 2 years for those who are too lazy to click.]

Tom351 wrote: john b wrote: Yea, we saw how well it worked when the government backed off of regulation with the banks and insurance companies. This is what you call "backing off of regulation?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act The notion that a lack of regulation caused the financial crisis is possibly the greatest piece of misinformation ever- just a little bit of research clearly shows that the financial crisis was fueled by government intervention.

Misinformation is exactly what you just posted. What you just said could be one of the biggest lies/misinformation in this whole thread. You go watch "Inside Job" by Charles Ferguson and we can have this conversation again. The community reinvestment act(from 1977!) was a very small piece of the puzzle and by itself would not have come even close to collapsing the financial sector. No more FauxNews for you!! But your right, it wasn't deregulation, it was 20 years of deregulation by both the dems and the repubs both with their interests to Wall Street first! And most subprime loans were made by firms that weren't subject to the CRA. So please..

Yes, Clinton is guilty too with the passing of Gramm Leach Bliley.

john b wrote: No doubt about it. There are very few saints in politics. I am not interested in arguing who was most responsible, I would like to think that we can learn from our past mistakes. My point is that deregulation isa part of the problem, not the solution.

And I agree.

Yes. I think it is apparent that government funding is secured through taxation. Something many seem to have forgotten. They also seem to forget that when insurance is paid for by the government there is a much larger group (all citizens) to share the expense resulting in lower costs per unit.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, providing insurance frees all Canadian companies from shouldering the cost of insuring their employees and managing their benefits. That is a big reason so many US manufacturers have moved there.
There is also a cost savings from providing preventative care and providing clinics where you can go for routine issues like flu and colds. In the US the uninsured must go to an emergency room for any treatment, including non life threatening illnesses, because no doctor will see an uninsured patient.

john b wrote: No doubt about it. There are very few saints in politics. I am not interested in arguing who was most responsible, I would like to think that we can learn from our past mistakes. My point is that deregulation isa part of the problem, not the solution.

I would say bad regulation is a big part of the problem, It does not hurt to dump bad regulations, and it does not help when they are applied. We have a lot of clueless people in government trying to regulate the private sector, For every action they take there is a reaction, often worse than what was happening in the first place. Regulation to a certain degree is necessary, it just needs to be well thought out, with input from all that it will effect.

Canada has attracted a lot of businesses and jobs from the US, like the Dr. and my daughter. I agree, it is only one factor, but business does well without having to provide health benefits. I also agree that bad regulation is as bad or worse than none.
I normally avoid any political discussion on any website, because it usually spirals into a name calling fest. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised that I can engage with others of differing opinions on the Correct Craft site and do so civilly, exchanging viewpoints and expanding on my own. I guess Correct Craft owners are a cut above the average site fans. I am excluding the one comment about the unemployed getting off their lazy assessing and getting a job.
nice to hear from everyone.

its pretty bad, ive been battling something for the last 4 days and refuse to go to the Doctor, with pre-pays and trying to get into seeing him, its not worth the effort, I'll get the cure all 250.00 fcn prescription, by the time its all done and said it will be 400 bucks.
fck it, I'll suffer
sorry for the F words, I live in the most powerful country in the world, we know how to kill but we sure the hell dont know how to cure