Election 2012 Is Comming

Eric,
The charts you posted pretty much tell the story. A sad story for US, however. The only bright side I see is that BCBS has created a lot of jobs.....at my expense. I guess they should for the $1,810 per month they charge for the policy for me and my wife! When I add on the cost of the deductible for my meds for diabetes, hypertension, athrosclorsis, and heart disease it starts to add up. Without the affordable health care act I would be near my lifetime limit too after 5 surgeries and heart stents I have had placed. Anyone without insurance or substantial financial resources to self pay would not have survived. I am glad to be here for my wife and kids, and that old Mustang needs me too.

No, you are looking at the cost of care graph (the red line). We win hands down in being the most inefficient. The longevity graph is the blue bars. All countries to the left of the US on the graph have longer life expectancies.

Cuba is really notable on the chart. We spend about 20X what they do per capita on health care and reap about 6 months more in longevity.

I dont know about you guy's, but I surely dont want my kids changing my diapers, why the fck would someone want to mess with mother nature and extend life? i dont want to put the kabookey on me, but, the 80's crowd is not a very active crowd and somewhere in the DNA, there is a voice saying its time to go, sustaine is one thing but if they promised me i could bang 3 times a week than i might consider the extension.
It really is ashame that we want to go about our daily lives and not notice or not even offer a solution to the HC industry, or if someone makes a suggestion on reform its shot down because they see the dark side.
I didnt read the bill, but i dont think it was proposed as a way to get rich, they are getting rich now and thats the problem I see and the charts solidify this, I have a feeling if Perry was preaching reform the right would be all for it, put that right/left bull*************** aside and use your own brain to think, numbers dont lie, with the advances and technologies we have we should be at the bottem of those lists and not paying a fcn dime out of our pocket for Healthcare in this country, were not living to a 100, so saying we have the best HC in the world is a bunch of bullsht, Healthcare is a profit center, profit breeds greed.
I recognized the HC situation long before the chosen one took office, its a fire hose running out of control and you guys keep preaching, but, but but,.....Obama didnt create the crises, I know he sees this problem the same way i see it and is trying to get it under control

Dave, the HC is a snowball that started many moons ago, you ever do drugs?, as time goes by it dont get any cheaper,
I really want to know when you guys (righties) are going to notice this, and say hey, we gotta problem here, it baffles me that you are paying thousands out of pocket and keep saying Obama created this, most parts of this bill havnt probably even kicked in yet

Eric, you are right, when they do the price will only rise, they just dumped long term care because it was not fesable, the rest of the plan will follow, Eric, do you know what industry has risen faster than health care? Education, I noticed no dems want to reform that. You guys a re a solution looking for a problem, you want increased spending, taxes and government, and whatever you see as a problem that is the solution you apply. Unfortunatly we are now broke from your solutions.

ononewheel wrote: 21 Pages !!!!!! So, who is going to get the nomination? I still say it's going to be Romney. Sorry, Ski, Dave and all the rest. Is Mormonism like Christian?

Well your and Phils party is finished. I would give you my precious 85 and loved one too you for this election. Obama is finished. Even the african americans and hispanic communities finnally got a brain and decided maybe is not good after all... It will be a full sweep against Obama.

Health Care and Education have very high inflation rates because they have been systematically subsidised for decades with other peoples money.

eric lavine wrote: watch out what you wish for Ski, did you ever maybe think of whats best for us instead of whats best for them?

I dont know who them is, but I vote for WE THEE PEOPLE...


BTW, those givaway programs and taxing the rich on wall street who got the great jobs is far who I want to succeed. Tell those free loaders to put down the mary jane and go get a job..

eric lavine wrote: I would bet the average man puts in more hours, works harder for a tenth of the pay than the ones you want to elect

I would normally agree 100%. Then I saw a news clip where a Cain staffer was having a hard time keeping up with Cain in what looked like a parking lot. It was comical; wish I knew where a link was.

Cain has been where you mean Eric.

No insurance= no problem?
I just lost a friend Saturday night. He had been my friend since 7th grade. We ran track together in High School, rode bicycles together, boated, and shared many interests including golf, skiing, and running 10k races. About 15 years ago he had bypass surgery and other health problems. 2 years ago he lost his job as a civil engineer. He sold his motorcycle, toy sports car, and bicycles as his money problems mounted. He continued to seek employment unsuccessfully and took jobs as a bar tender, bicycle mechanic, and several other positions without benefits as he looked for employment. About one week ago he called our mutual friend Tom. During the conversation Tom told him that he should see a doctor because he didn't sound good. Terry told Tom that he didn't have insurance or the money to pay a doctor. He had lost it with his job. Terry thought he would get over his bad cold.
I got an email on Sunday informing me that Terry was dead. It really is tragic. Terry called a friend Saturday afternoon to say he was having trouble breathing. He was taken to Northwestern Hospital in Chicago where he died later that night. I hope whoever is elected can get universal health coverage. If you really believe in this country don't you believe we can do as well as Canada or France. I am starting to doubt it.
57 years old with many interests and friends and no money to buy health care. A tragic statement of our lack of compassion for our fellow citizens and human beings.

http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/chicagotribune/obituary.aspx?n=terrance-l-daly&pid=154261144

eric lavine wrote: sht Greg, Im still looking for a guy I lost 2 years ago

Yea, you run that good ole boy routine...then sneak up on me.

So now apparently have King Obama, ruling by edict with his "just get it done" Program. Our constitution spells out that new spending comes from congress, and gets signed by the president as part of the balance of powers. Obamas job plan was voted on by congress and rejected as the wrong plan at the wrong time. So Obama is bypassing the constitution and funding his bad ideas with executive orders. Not really "just get it done", more "just do it anyway" How long before he suspends voting by executive order and makes himself king for life? For you Dems that are happy about this, how will you feel if a republican gets elected next and starts cutting medicare and social security by the same method?

That darn ol jobs plan Obama been trying to push, the main agenda is for roads, bridges, and etc. Well I wonder who gets those jobs!!!! Freeeking UNIONS!!!! For the votes in 2012...

Maybe they are like NC where the Governor takes money from road repair money, gas tax, to balance the budget.

A Judge finally stopped this practice. Last 2 NC Govs have taken money
from the Education Lottery and from the DOT roads and bridge money. We
now have some of the worst roads in the country.
Maybe they should balance the budget by cutting spending rather than
taking from infrastructure repair money and Education.