Election 2012 Is Comming

davidg wrote: Newt sure seems to be tapping into the conservative, "make government smaller" sentiment thats out there. Sure he has baggage. Which of them don't? He is my new ABO Candidate (Anybody But Obama) candidate! I think the Republican primary will come down to Newt and Romney. And, the fact that Newt is tied with Romney in New Hampshire really says something. New Hampshire is in Romney's backyard. Its the countries desire to have a true conservative in the race.... at least according to Fox News

Is this like your prediction in Wisconsin? Like how you said the effort will fail. And then even when you see you were wrong, you still say the democrats did get far enough.


Is this one of those opposite things?

Check in on the Wisconsin progress and see Scott Walker scared.

ononewheel wrote: davidg wrote: Newt sure seems to be tapping into the conservative, "make government smaller" sentiment thats out there. Sure he has baggage. Which of them don't? He is my new ABO Candidate (Anybody But Obama) candidate! I think the Republican primary will come down to Newt and Romney. And, the fact that Newt is tied with Romney in New Hampshire really says something. New Hampshire is in Romney's backyard. Its the countries desire to have a true conservative in the race.... at least according to Fox News Is this like your prediction in Wisconsin? Like how you said the effort will fail. And then even when you see you were wrong, you still say the democrats did get far enough. Is this one of those opposite things? Check in on the Wisconsin progress and see Scott Walker scared.

What effort in Wisconsin didn't fail? The Democrats have failed at every step in Wisconsin. They won back a couple of seats, but, they didn't take control of the Senate. Is that the success you are talking about? Okay, I admire your ability to find huge successes from small victories.

Please don't tell me you embrace the OWS anarchists. There has been a murder, rapes, and several drug overdose deaths, along with a bunch of unruly thugs that illegally "occupy" public areas until they have to be forcibly removed so authorities could restore order. Please help me to understand how this "wonderful" movement will change the country forever? Can you name one thing they want or stand for? Its very unclear to me what its all about...other than the opportunity for unsavory types to congregate and cause trouble.

As it relates to Walker, I don't think he will be recalled. I think that initiative will fail just like all the other liberal attempts to undo the reforms he has implemented.

davidg wrote: ononewheel wrote: davidg wrote: Newt sure seems to be tapping into the conservative, "make government smaller" sentiment thats out there. Sure he has baggage. Which of them don't? He is my new ABO Candidate (Anybody But Obama) candidate! I think the Republican primary will come down to Newt and Romney. And, the fact that Newt is tied with Romney in New Hampshire really says something. New Hampshire is in Romney's backyard. Its the countries desire to have a true conservative in the race.... at least according to Fox News Is this like your prediction in Wisconsin? Like how you said the effort will fail. And then even when you see you were wrong, you still say the democrats did get far enough. Is this one of those opposite things? Check in on the Wisconsin progress and see Scott Walker scared. What effort in Wisconsin didn't fail? The Democrats have failed at every step in Wisconsin. They won back a couple of seats, but, they didn't take control of the Senate. Is that the success you are talking about? Okay, I admire your ability to find huge successes from small victories. Please don't tell me you embrace the OWS anarchists. There has been a murder, rapes, and several drug overdose deaths, along with a bunch of unruly thugs that illegally "occupy" public areas until they have to be forcibly removed so authorities could restore order. Please help me to understand how this "wonderful" movement will change the country forever? Can you name one thing they want or stand for? Its very unclear to me what its all about...other than the opportunity for unsavory types to congregate and cause trouble. As it relates to Walker, I don't think he will be recalled. I think that initiative will fail just like all the other liberal attempts to undo the reforms he has implemented.

Ok, so the Dems didn't get the one seat advantage they were hoping for.
But as it turns out, THEY DO NOT NEED IT.
That's right, republican Dale Schultz has voted lock step with the dems since the February protests.
Typically I'd say you are right you won, but since this really is about the end result, dem or repb control, I'd say that is a wrap for the dems.

Oh and the Walker camp, well the latest poll numbers show his approval rating is hovering at %40. Yikes....

welp, i guess it wasnt a hair trigger at Kent State

davidg wrote: ononewheel wrote: davidg wrote: Newt sure seems to be tapping into the conservative, "make government smaller" sentiment thats out there. Sure he has baggage. Which of them don't? He is my new ABO Candidate (Anybody But Obama) candidate! I think the Republican primary will come down to Newt and Romney. And, the fact that Newt is tied with Romney in New Hampshire really says something. New Hampshire is in Romney's backyard. Its the countries desire to have a true conservative in the race.... at least according to Fox News Is this like your prediction in Wisconsin? Like how you said the effort will fail. And then even when you see you were wrong, you still say the democrats did get far enough. Is this one of those opposite things? Check in on the Wisconsin progress and see Scott Walker scared. What effort in Wisconsin didn't fail? The Democrats have failed at every step in Wisconsin. They won back a couple of seats, but, they didn't take control of the Senate. Is that the success you are talking about? Okay, I admire your ability to find huge successes from small victories. Please don't tell me you embrace the OWS anarchists. There has been a murder, rapes, and several drug overdose deaths, along with a bunch of unruly thugs that illegally "occupy" public areas until they have to be forcibly removed so authorities could restore order. Please help me to understand how this "wonderful" movement will change the country forever? Can you name one thing they want or stand for? Its very unclear to me what its all about...other than the opportunity for unsavory types to congregate and cause trouble. As it relates to Walker, I don't think he will be recalled. I think that initiative will fail just like all the other liberal attempts to undo the reforms he has implemented.

David he probally does support that crap. He a left winger. He probally likes them protestors too. And oner there probally thinks so crooked, his mind is warped to real polotics that he probally the guy/coach at Penn State that used a boy as a whistle is innocent. I hope that coach gets life in prison or the death sentence. Those boys lifes are ruined from his sexual malestation. Joe pa needs to serve some community time.


Hey oner, do you think they should legalize mary jane??

Ski, do you really think it matters who is in the whitehouse? its a pawn postition, he is our media guy, a face, a man of probably close to no power, everyone answers to someone...
there is nothing worse a man could do on this earth than what Sanbutsky did, this is the ultimate cover up, I would guareentee the investigation will reach to the dean of State Penn, I really can see this guy putting a bullet in his own head

eric lavine wrote: Ski, do you really think it matters who is in the whitehouse? its a pawn postition, he is our media guy, a face, a man of probably close to no power, everyone answers to someone... there is nothing worse a man could do on this earth than what Sanbutsky did, this is the ultimate cover up, I would guareentee the investigation will reach to the dean of State Penn, I really can see this guy putting a bullet in his own head

Hell yes it makes a difference in my pocket book. The president has no power!! Course he does. You see what Obama has done since 08. Look at the economy. His polocies he has pushed in all streams of economics. Healthcare, education, wall street, housing, main stream taxes,and foreign polocy. He has failed in every area. EVERY area!!

You are probally right eric on this penn state, but you at any level, espcially penn state joe paterno knew about this boys being malested in every way shape or form in juto ville, and all he did is go to the dean and thats it. That saying of CYA is so true. Joe should have went to the police and cover his ass. He let it go, and what goes around comes around. There all sick bastrds, but those innocent boys in the shower, there lives are ruined. They all need a bullet..

Newt/Cain

Why am I not surprised!   Got to admire the guys convictions, regardless how much I disagree with them. OOW....please post some pictures when you get a chance so we can see what its like in the "belly of the beast". Oh, and let us know what the OWS demands or goals are. I am still not clear on what the movement is all about. I think I heard that some students want thier student debt eliminated, but other than that .....

The Tea Party had very clear goals....reduce the size of bloated government, cut wasteful entitlement spending, balance the budget, and eliminate our national debt. Very clear! Very simple!   

Opps, no I am not headed out East to the protest.     Sorry, I worded that wrong in haste. I was headed home, finally too, because I miss my dog. My laptop too, ever use a “netbook”? Holy ***************, I have never ha…
My wife and I spent a kid free weekend in Chicago, well she spent most of her time there, I made two trips to the Horseshoe.
I am headed to the Occupy Madison Movement in the am, as I do every few days.   I have a 50X80 full of crap my father left me, so all the wood, steel, and other stuff is going to them.   I know he had 2 diesel gererators too.   Next year, as in a few months it will be clean and ready for concrete.     
You may think it is all drug addicted, hippy, whores, whatever. You have not been there, to any of them anywhere, you have not even bothered to look on the net about OWS.   I am there, so are many of my brothers in combat and neighbors.. We don’t rape, pillage, steal, and we do have jobs, good hygiene, (what never peed outside of a toilet), wives, kids, money.    That crap wouldn’t happen near me. Why would you say that?   Because you do not understand it and FOX told you so.

I respect the OWS movement, and here is why. I am mad as hell about the state of our nation, including our politics, money in politics….   Look there ae a lot of reasons for OWS.   Some may or may not apply directly to me.   But some do, and I am fighting and advocating for all because I stand with people that think like me. Simple.    Just like any soldier, citizen, or human does. You think the same with the tea party. Fine.    I am not here to convince you.   That has already been proven nearly impossible.


What about the soldiers who return home with out a home because it was foreclosed. The soldier fighting a war for his country could not afford to pay the mortgage. Meanwhile the banks receive bailout funds, return record profits, and then foreclose upon the same citizen that just served for them. Give that some damn thought will ya?.   Tell me how the hell can you even attempt to slather your republican crap on that to make it the soldiers fault? How can you? Do it, answer that for me?


Her e is another one. SGt. Mike King****. . This man, was litterllay told during war time, that his wife was killed at home in the US. He returned to track and kill the man who was responsible. He now serves TWO life sentences. WTF? Slather that republican “pull-yourself-up- by- the- boot straps” it’s your fault *************** on that.    He was even held at a private prison for 1 year. So now a private prison company profited off that crap an ACTIVE soldier went through.   Keep slathering it on because the American people are starting to see through it.


Yeah, about those student loans. Isn’t it screwed up?   I have kids, here is what I tell them.
-Do good in school
- Go to college
- get a job
- Live your life
Here is what they see-
-     Sports matter more
-     Who can afford college?
-     After I take out a loan, what happens then to all those that cannot find a job, as well as all the cash?
-     What JOB is there to get.( republicans are helping this along how?)
-     Hate everyone different than you.
-     Care about yourself first always
Can’t even deny that’s the truth.

I don’t have much to say about republicans or democrats. I despise both, but democrats less, much less. There is too much money in this game and that has been said over and over, but it is the real problem.
Those f****** kers in there, most of them are so paid for ,we stand no chance. And even if they are not, the past 4-5 guys before him were, and they sold us out then, really giving us little chance.

I could care less really what that letter behind your name is. And if you are telling ME that I should pay for this ***************, I will, but so are those at the top or it isn’t happening with me.


It has never been bad to generate a profit. When I am paid I put a chunk away until I can get a chance to play poker.   On a good weekend with lots of play, I can walk way up x4 or x5 my money. I do that put way move to invest in my future. If I had to pay a tax on it.   So flipping what….   Business in this country should not get a free pass. If they have great profits, pay the tax man. I do, you do. Republicans are saying the rich shouldn’t have to pay any more than anyone else even if the profit margin is vastly different. I have never said,
“I will not work today, for I will not pay the tax man” neither will business.

That is all. Whew..

Hard, ive been in business long enough, not big business, but a business that genrates the numbers we talk about, at a certain point there is a non taxable cash flow, the money that goes in the pocket, it exceeds taxes that ever would be paid, so when you say fare share across the board, its impossible unless you went to a currency free society, it would need to be all electronic transactions. the cash transactions do not go on the books, so lets say if you do a million a year total and only 500k is reported, your only being taxed on the 500k.
you must take this into account, money is hidden from what I hear,
and i can positively say it happens at the 100 million dollar level, because at on time i remember filling up semi trailers with inventory to avoid taxation...we know the problems but there is nothing we can do to control what goes on because the people doing this are creating the rules

I think you Dave, david, 62 wood,critter, and myself have finally flipped mr lavine there. He likes us conservatives...

davidg wrote: A few thoughts in response to previous posts.... - Student loans: I think its absurd what schools are charging now. I hate it!! My oldest son just graduated from Indiana University last December, and my other son is at Eastern Illinois now. I can tell you all about school costs. But, the decision to go to school was ours. We knew what we were getting into. We will pay the bills, and not ask anybody else to do it. Its called personal responsibility.

David you are so right my friend. I just spent 25k for a Associates degree from the University of Phoenix. (ONLINE) The funny thing about this is, I took 6 months off, and want to forward my education and it is really hard for me to get back in. I call my academic counsler and because of the federal goverment, because loans have gone bad and cost has gone up, they are very picky who they give there loans too now, it has been 4 wks and I am ready to continue but no answer.

So Eric, Do you feel you are better off now than you were 4 years ago?

Hard, the best time of my life was under Clinton, he mopped up quickly, as for Obama...its taking a touch longer to mop things up...but you guys are giving him a chance for a second time around

during the Bush years, it was just to good to be true, im not an economist but deep down I knew the *************** was going to hit the fan before Oct 2008, those loan apps I was telling you about were just amazing to me and calling the bank on a fax signature to get some money,
am i better off, spiritually, No   wealthy no   healthy yes, better off than someone who is laying in a hospital bed waiting on their maker yes, wiser yes
my philosophy on life is, we are expected to live to 72 not a thousand, I dont want to leave my kids a million bucks because what i worked a lifetime for they will spend it in 3 months and it will diminish their charactor. i dont go thru life with the thoughts who has the most money wins because you leave that *************** at the door and you are judged for what good you did in life.
my feelings on the filthy rich is somehow they obtained that money illegally and thats what they think about from morning until they go to sleep at night.
am I better off, I would like to think so