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    Posted: March-15-2012 at 3:09am


I was planning on powder coating my windshield and can't get any of the screws that hold it together to break loose. I've tried soaking them in Liquid Wrench and striking with a hammer. I also tryed to grab the head with vice grips. I can't use heat because of the rubber seals. Anyone have any ideas? I'm leaning towards just painting it. I had the tower powder coated last year in jet black and it look awesome. Wanted to do the same with the windshield but at this point will settle for paint.
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Man, the screws I try to take out and they don't move look alot worse than that.   You are being too nice to them.

If there is only three per side, could you just drill them?
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My little makita cordless impact driver does wonders.
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Originally posted by OverMyHead OverMyHead wrote:

My little makita cordless impact driver does wonders.


Just did some research on impact drivers...sounds like I need to get one. Everyone loves them.
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Mine is the two pack, drill and impact driver, just the 9.6 volt, very light, and very capable. The 18 volt would be better for heavy use , but a little more expensive.
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Surprising amount of power from the set you are talking about. My impact is capable of sinking a 3 1/2 inch deck screw into my shooting stump.

I have the same 2 driver set from Makita 9.6 volt, on special from the Matco man
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George,
I'm not the biggest fan of powder especially on aluminum. The adhesion is always a problem unless the prep work is done very carefully. This would include stripping ALL of the original down to the base aluminum and then your better powder coaters will blast. This gives the mechanical adhesion that powder needs. Wet paint is a chemical bond but even with it the original needs to be stripped. The powder may look great but in a couple years it may not.

Also, keep in mind that powder will add some considerable mills to the surface and some have had assembly problems.

I'm with the others about the screw problem. You need some impact to break them loose. I'm not as high tech and still use my "wack it with a hammer" impact tool! Make sure you have brand new high quality bits when you do it.


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A simple cordless drill should pop those things right out... those screws are only 1/4" long. If they were really stuck, I would have expected a good bit more damage, even if you were just using a screwdriver by hand!

Gotta disagree with Pete on the powder- I think he's worked with some incapable shops before. The one near me does a great job- and as he said, the key is in the prep. That should be a given when powdercoating. Ive powdercoated several windshields, among other parts (above and below the waterline) and they have held up terrific (going on 7 years now). Way thicker and way more durable than the paint they replaced.

Reassembly is certainly less fun with the additional coating thickness, but I would call it more of a "challenge" than a "problem". Just make sure to use plenty of water with dish soap, and be sure you have a rubber mallet!
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

A simple cordless drill should pop those things right out... those screws are only 1/4" long. If they were really stuck, I would have expected a good bit more damage, even if you were just using a screwdriver by hand!

Gotta disagree with Pete on the powder- I think he's worked with some incapable shops before. The one near me does a great job- and as he said, the key is in the prep. That should be a given when powdercoating. Ive powdercoated several windshields, among other parts (above and below the waterline) and they have held up terrific (going on 7 years now). Way thicker and way more durable than the paint they replaced.

Reassembly is certainly less fun with the additional coating thickness, but I would call it more of a "challenge" than a "problem". Just make sure to use plenty of water with dish soap, and be sure you have a rubber mallet!


Helps knowing they are only a 1/4". This boat was previously used in saltwater a lot more than the previous owner indicated and the windshield takes on a lot of water. When I took the tower apart the pivot bolts that allow it to fold over were frozen. We tryed everything to break them loose and I finally had to get them professionally extracted and sleaved.

My biggest worry all along is getting it back together with the increased thickness.
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George I have a couple of Impacts a 9 volt Panasonic and the 18 volt Makita. I use them on a daily basis they are the best invention no more torque on you wrists. I would recommend the Makita .
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I love my 12v milwaukee heavy duty impact driver M12, it lasts and lasts and makes easy work of boat interiors etc. small and powerful from Sears or Orchard Supply
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My shower doors are powder coated. They are peeling How about hard anodizing? Are they originally painted?
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PB Blaster soak overnight. Use sparingly
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Originally posted by gtxragtop gtxragtop wrote:

PB Blaster soak overnight. Use sparingly

I feel you like many have fallen for the marketing hype.

Here's some data you may find interestig.

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Get yourself some decent penetrating oil like Kroil or mix up 50% acetone and 50% ATF. Throw the WD40 and PB in the trash. You have fallen for marketing "hype".

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Here's the list of torque requirments copied from the other thread:

Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ...................... 516 pounds
WD-40 ................... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............... 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ......... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil .............. 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix.......53 pounds

I don't even consider WD40 to be a penetrating oil so that puts PB at the bottom for me. Kroil is a on line order only so when I was taking my 1927 Flexifour apart and trying to break the rusted pistons loose, I did pick up a can of PB. A week went by with no luck and then the Kroil came in. The next day after using some of the Kroil, all four pistons were loose. I ended up using the PB as a honing lubricant!

The home brew ATF and reducing it with a solvent is real interesting! I need to mix up a batch and give it a try.


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Gotta love my impact. Best tool in the world for working on an old dirt bike or in a junk yard.

My favorite is the 3/8 drive and good size hammer.
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Well, since "NG" (gtxragtop) has not responded nor, been on site since the last post, this may bring a very important factor into many/all forums. Quality of response is always important but more in this case the "quality" is in question . BTW, i went through all the old posts.   

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Today I ordered, online, a Makita 18V driver. Expensive...$270. I'll let you know how it works.
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I bought the kit. If you bought the impact driver, drill, flashlight, & skill saw, you got a mail in coupon for a sawz all. In order to get it you had to send in proof of purchase. So I send in my receipt, they said I needed the coupon off the box plus the receipt?
Well the wife through the box away! I called and called and they kept saying the same thing no box proof no saw.
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I received the Makita work radio yesterday for my birthday, it will not work with my 9.6 volt batteries, but the sound is amazing
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Originally posted by YooperSully YooperSully wrote:

Glad to see you boys like Makita

You can research this stuff till your blue the face with the internet and I thought they had the best product. Rigid makes one with better advertised torque numbers, a lot cheaper and better warranty, but a lot of bad reviews and only one battery. The only real knock on the Makita was battery life, but it comes with two and they are 3 amp. No onle else has a 3 amp that I could find in the hour I spent researching. Bosch, DeWalt, Porter Cable and Milwaukee make good ones as well. I heard Panasonic was good but didn't see them sold anywhere...didn't look real hard also.
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Battery power is nice but for under 40 bucks you can get the old timy
3/8 drive impact driver you hit with a hammer.

I have both and the ones you hit with a hammer probably work better for loosening stuck screws and bolts.
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