You didn build that !

This could be more insidious than I thought. If Obama can get a voting block to believe that government built private business, he then can make a claim to those businesses. Why try to raise taxes on the rich if he can go Hugo Chavez on their businesses and nationalize them? We already have a large portion of the electorate willing to steal from a minority group of the electorate for their own gain through progressive taxes. With this already compromised moral state it is only a small step to start taking businesses. It all starts with baby steps, winning the hearts and minds.

Sweet, "just drink the cool aid"

Sweet, you actually got to meet the person that the rich are not paying their fair share to. I hope you took the opportunity to apologize to her behalf of all of us who work and pay taxes, but just not enough.

sweet77 wrote: I dont know percentages, facts(or myths) ,numbers or any other kind of political mumbo jumbo. Whay i cant understand is how I get a phone call from a customer whos rental property has no ac. Nice appartment $1000.00 a month for me to rent it. Woman living there with three HORRIBLE children. IPHONE, COMPUTER, tons of cloths laying everywhere a boyfriend who "STAYS" with her.new car ect ect ect.... now in the last six months ive been there 4 times Dirty (FILTHY) filters because there too damn lazy to change them. the property manager says what seems to be the problem i tell him (In an aggravated way) and he proceeds to tell me she said she does not have time. BY THE WAY!!!!!! she does not work nor the boyfriend. she pays $189.00 a month for rent to the realtor and the rest comes out of a government fund. PERIOD END OF STORY!!!!!!!! THE GOVERNMENT IS "F"ed. someone explain this to me???????

Cool story, Bro. Don't know facts or numbers or mumbo jumbo you say? Sounds like you have the above situation figured out. Are you the maintenance guy, or do you have a part in the facts department or the kick the defenseless department.

So can I tell you about the families I know where both Mom and Dad whom are college educated, work, pay for and care for a home, raise and pay for a child or children, and still struggle to pay for groceries? Don't bitch about that too? Think Romney types have the money issues like my given situation and urs?

Those are hardworking people too, and deserve a credit for what they have done in making America. Teachers, pilots, construction crews, Dr.s, ac repair man, military,..... We had a hand in the success of America. We, as in America.    People are not born capable of tking care, raising themselves.
This is what I thought Obama said.


Most people, me included, think getting folks off welfare is a good idea. Cutting those folks off, without a plan is crazy, and won't work as intended.

So how do we get there?

ononewheel wrote: So how do we get there?

Great question, what is your answer?

MattB wrote: Interesting thread and something that you only get on Correct Craft fan

The sad thing is that it is not only on CCfan you get this stuff.. it is also on wakeworld forums, engine building forums , bbq forums, and every other place where unmoderated posts are allowed on the damn interwebs. I would say it is a positive example of democratic conversation except they are all the same posts with all the same talking points that are all out of context snippets picked and tested by a bunch of overpaid kids working for “conservative think tanks” that are neither conservative nor think.

They used to actually pay people to go around and make the posts and write the comments… they don’t even have to do that now… put it on 6 or seven friendly blogs, put it on a talking point list that you send out to a few radio shows, and 8 or 9 hours later you will hear it parroted back to you by all the loyal wing nuts and then reported on by mainstream media or at least on fox. Those guys got 24 hours to fill with only 30 mins of news to fill it with so they will be happy to talk about how people are talking about, or offended by, or is this finally the one that sticks and brings down such and such candidate…
Do a search sometime and be amazed how the exact same stuff comes up in a bunch of different places… it aint a case of great minds thinking alike as much as a case of mind control.

One should be asking themselves who has to gain from us wasting time and energy getting upset about such trivial nonsense as bad phrasing in one line of a speech, voter fraud that doesn’t actually happen, or “welfare money being spend on tattoos”, or whatever is thrown at the wall today.

let me preface this statement by saying I do NOT watch any TV at all...no CNN, no FOX news, nothing. i listen to NPR radio mostly, read local and CNN news online sometimes. I am neither conservative, nor liberal. I favor small government, abortion rights, gay marriage, gun rights...I'm not religious at all...I love the outdoors and I love CC boats!!

I find Obama's statement very disturbing. I am very concerned that he (or others like him) is coming after money that I have worked hard for and saved. I believe he will come after it in the form of higher taxes only to give it away in the form of social programs to people who have less than me. I believe he will come after my 401K, salary, and SS (most likely already gone). I believe this because of what he says (like the topic of this post) and what he does (like obama care and all the "stimulus" spending). I think obama care should be repealed and many social programs should be cut to eliminate the incentives to stay on them. I believe in helping people that need help...but only enough to encourage them to help themselves.

Obama now says the uproar over his statement is "bogus" and out of context. I am back to my original claim of arrogance. We know what he said, we told him how we feel, and he says I think what you feel is bogus. Nice!

What about Romney's taxes?

I think that is what is really on our minds.

Is he a billionaire, or did he pay no taxes some years?

Hansel wrote: BuffaloBFN wrote: . In parting, Manson-Bundy-Dohmer-etc all used roads as well. Wow, this is about as extreme an argument point as one can use. They both breathed air too... Seriously?!?

My example is no more extreme than what BO said.

It's simple really; it's ignorance(and for those of you who are gov't educated, ignorant doesn't mean stupid). It would be akin to me spouting off about life in the Ukraine when I haven't been there or even anywhere close.

From an older thread: "don't feed the animals or they'll learn to be dependant on you instead of fending for themselves".

And he got a $26,000 grant from the government.

Government grant

ononewheel wrote: Your Obama care argument fell flat you it;s face.   How exactly is the Affordable Care act costing your money for the ones who, like "welfare" and want free care. Are you one without health insurance? If no, what are you so worried about?   Some false baloney, right wing nut ball etc.....?   Telling you Obama care is some socialist plot to make your taxes go to the lazy. Chances are you think each part of AFA is needed and makes sense.

40% tax on my "cadilac" plan...so 3rd generation wellfare families and illegals can have more babies for free...

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

That is not realistic assessment of what is going to happen to your "cadillac plan" - even if it was a tax on you and not on the insurance company or health plan administrator - a 40 % tax on the portion of your familys health benefits above $27500 starting in 2018 isnt exactly going to lead to the end of the american dream

Those who want to know what that provision is really about should do some actual research, and not listen to guys on the internet.

yes I am familiar with the fable, I am also aware that it is not true.

Why not just move somewhere there is no government whatsoever?

What is the conservative plan to fix the fact that we get the worst return on our healthcare investment in the entire world... by a huge margin?

(Thats a trick question - the affordable health care act was the conservative plan... it is just driving them nuts that Obama implemented it)

My dad BUILT the business that I now own and have expanded greatly. I can tell you from watching him spend several sleepless nights in a row, years without taking a vacation, months without a day off, that the government DID NOT BUILD that business. My father worked himself damn near to death without one penny of help from anyone but the local bank that was charging him outrageous interest and made his electrical business work. We have NEVER been involved in a project that involved government money and have done just fine without it. I bought the business from my parents 3 years ago and have worked it just like my dad did. I have taken the business from 14 employees to 31 in less than three years. Once again not one job or one red cent from the government. Last year alone I worked 3478 hours with 4 days off. That is working 7 days a week. I have a wife and three beautiful daughters that I see all the time. I work my schedule around theirs the best I can so I can be involved in their lives. We get up at 5 a.m. two days a week and run out to the river and ski until 7 a.m. and then I go to work.

For some one to tell me or my father that I did not build that business is just as dumb as that low rent dumba** president we have. For all of you that think without the government help that there would be no small businesses you can kiss my @$$.

You want to see government waste look at the agricultural and welfare programs. By the way, I own property and quite a few cattle that have in NO WAY had any government help, low interest loans, or anything to purchase or maintain. A rice farmer will recieve a check from our government every year for $50,000 just because they are farming rice. I know that for a fact because I have several cousins and acquaintances that are row crop farmers. THey also have government insurance for crop loss or disaster that cost them NOTHING. They will but supplemental insurance to cover their equipment.

You need to get out in the REAL world a little before you form such ignorant opinions.

Thanks for Nothing

Jason Skelton