You didn build that !

15% of a large pile is =,<, or > than 30% of a small one?

OverMyHead wrote: ononewheel wrote: Still doesn't address the fact you pay more in taxes than the rich do. * I don't pay any income taxes because poker is not taxable at this point, but I have paid my price, however my wife does pay her fair share. Seth, Romeny paid 8 million in two years. I will not pay that in a lifetime, so the rich are paying more in taxes than me. Do I have to run through the numbers again, the top 1% pay.... we have been through this. And you always ignore that the bottom 60% pay nothing or receive a check. How does someone with no earned income get a tax return? They are not paying in anything and getting the use of government services for free. They are the ones not paying their fair share. 65% of government spending goes to entitlements, 8% goes to the military, but when it comes time to cut dems say we cannot touch the 65% and we can only cut out of the 8%. why? because the 65 percent is their voting pool. If you are earning income from gambling then it is taxable. Income is income. It may not be reported, and a less than ethical accountant may tell you not to report because they will never know, but like a waitress or other tip oriented earners the government relies on your INTEGRITY to report your income. I work a full time job in construction, and also run a business part time to make ends meet. Many do the side work on a cash basis to avoid uncle Sam, and insurance. My side business is an S-corp and my income gets invoiced and reported. If I did not pay taxes I would not worry about the rates or fraud and waste either. It might be time to man up, keep some records, do the reporting, pay your share, and see what it is all about. Certainly it seems the pot is calling the kettle black to complain about others tax paying habits at this point.

8 million schmillion.    It is percentage based and you know that.


15% Vs. 25-35%    That is a real number, 8 million means little.


So tell me. If you have no income, didn't work, how exactly do you get a refund?    Come on Dave, honestly, how does that work? Ok, I see your explanation above. So then Romney, since he uses government services actually pays less than 13.2 %    Thanks for that bit. That sticks you and my family in the same, get screwed category since we ( see below) pay more than the top and bottom.

How much tax you think those earning 12-15K a year should pay? 15-20-30%, AFTER the FICA taxes too? 15K, heck, 30k, don't know how making that much money could afford to pay much more than the FICA alone. Making 15-20k yearly, buying groceries would be tough.






Calling the kettle black huh, man up? Seriously, I spent more time giving my share than alot of folks. Man up and enlist like I did.   
I knew where I was going when I upped, and I would do it all over again, even if I knew the results before hand. Because of that time in, I do not work. I WOULD LOVE TO, and will again maybe, but I can tell you now,   I do not take your taxes in a welfare check. O Hell, as disabled as people say I am, I'd still make a buck doing something if I had too.

I was a business owner the day I enlisted, saved a bunch for a long time before hand, sold off, and jumped on a bus.   I've still got enough to provide for my family and restart where I left off if needed. My wife working, and paying taxes contributes for sure to our family.


I brought up the poker winnings because I was baiting you for your comments. Don't have to school me on what is taxable, and I should have stated poker is not taxable in a better way. It's form W-2G. I payed 0 income taxes last year,because losses are deductions, and I have not done well since black Friday and the online community shut it's doors, and investments were not doing well, until recently. My deductions are large too, considering the cost of flights these days. ( a trip for two to Vegas, airfare and lodging, just set me back $2400, and fuel cost are rising for the local trips too). Wanna guess the rate I pay when I do win?   It's way more than Romney, more than double it actually.   It's 30% I also pay taxes on investments made by my late father, maintained by my wife. But I don't really get Romneys rate because I can't afford his attorneys.

Sounds like the disregard you show me, isn't the same reverence you show Romney, even though I did something for you, while Romney was part of this mess we are in now, and I pay more in taxes percentage wise than Romney.   Why is that?

Percentage wise, I'd love Romneys rate. How come Romney plays a version of poker, the stock market, risk & reward, and pays less on his winnings than I do?

BuffaloBFN wrote: ononewheel wrote: BuffaloBFN wrote: +1 and the name calling means they got nuthin left. Well BFN, I assume you have nothin' left after the bedwetter comment? Nice way to leave man. I've been around a lot longer than you...and I haven't called any in particular any names. The bedwetter shot was a collective term that sure seems pertinent whenever I see the dem pundits. They all go to name calling or trying to change the subject.

Yeah, you have. And I respect your knowledge when it comes to Correct craft, and think I may have told you so too.


But a name call is a name call.   Just trying to lighten the mood a little by highlighting what I read. No harm intended by doing so.    

BuffaloBFN wrote: ononewheel wrote: I think the glamor and glitz of Ryan is catching you off guard, and giving the conservatives something to look forward too.   That is until the nation gets another grasp of the "Path to Prosperity", remember conservatives denounced that plan long ago, and in full force. It was not a small dismissal, it was a flat out, NO. Often bills are dismissed because of all the unrelated crap thrown in. Maybe you remember the gun control language that magically appeared in the cybersecurity bill? Tell us of this path to prosperity... [QUOTE=ononewheel]Whatever Romeny owns Ryan budget now.   When the honeymoon passes, and it will, he is going to have some very tough answers to give.

PLEASE, please tell me we are not having a conversation about the Money/Rayn campaign,
and you do not know what the PATH TO PROSPERITY is?




That path to prosperity is the name Ryan gave to his very own budget.





Whew, this is going to take a bit of explanation.    But the sun broke here, and the boat is loaded and fueled up, I'll be back after you do a little reading and studying about the guy you are ready to vote for already.




I have one more of your posts to address first.

ononewheel wrote: Wanna guess the rate I pay when I do win?

Sorry, you told me you do not pay taxes on poker, I can only comment on the information you "bait" me with.

I understand that you have paid a price for this country which I have thanked you for. If it is not enough (Which it never can be) thank you, thank you, thank you...... I now wish I had served, but I did not belong there at 18 and I knew it. I may have saved lives by not serving . If they were to pass a law that disabled vets never have to pay taxes again I would support it, but until then......

Out of respect for you I will not hold back comments because you wheels are disabled. You are an equal peer here, and thus subject to all the off topic "perks" any other liberal is entitled to.

After deductions I pay about the same percent as Romney.

I would be happy with everyone paying the same flat tax under 10%, no exeptions or dedustions. This would be very fair.

ononewheel wrote: Whew, I'm boating now.   Have a nice day at work Dave. You too BFN.

Disabled maybe, disadvantaged, not so much.

Barack and Mitt are preparing for their first debate with the debate organizer. The organizer asks Barack what he wants to drink at his podium. Barack says "I'll have an H2O". Mitt says "I'll have an H2O too". Mitt dies during the first debate.

ononewheel wrote: 15% Vs. 25-35%    That is a real number, 8 million means little.

You're talking out of both sides of your helm. First it's revenue, then 8 schmillion?

I'm sorry, but a percentage is in fact not a number until it's given parameters.

And that 'finite cost to be an American'? That was a question...check a math book.

Riley wrote: Unfortunately, our government accomplishes about as much as this thread.

Riley wrote: Unfortunately, our government accomplishes about as much as this thread.

But the desperation on the left is fun to watch.

BuffaloBFN wrote: ononewheel wrote: 15% Vs. 25-35%    That is a real number, 8 million means little. You're talking out of both sides of your helm. First it's revenue, then 8 schmillion? I'm sorry, but a percentage is in fact not a number until it's given parameters. And that 'finite cost to be an American'? That was a question...check a math book.

So you are saying 8 million is enough. He reached the "paid enough already" mark?

I've got a long way to go before I hit that mark, so I guess I have not paid enough, even though percentage wise I paid more than Romney.



I'm really interested in this percentage isn't a number theory you speak of. I don't have a math book. Could you expand on that thought of yours?

double post

How about this for a progressive tax, everyone pays 28% on the first thirty grand,paying their fair share up front, then as your income increases the rate drops ending up at maybe 10% for a multimillionaire, this would reward achievement instead of penalizing it. Just a thought.

ononewheel wrote: I'm really interested in this percentage isn't a number theory you speak of. I don't have a math book. Could you expand on that thought of yours?

Seth, How many dollars is 15 percent? get it?

Weren't we just talking about this?

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