You didn build that !

eric lavine wrote: the bad part about it, is that the radicals that lurk and spew cannot dispute the fact, only try to put the blame on Obama...its not the man its the party's values (Bush, Romney)

Eric....I am going to challenge you here. Can you please tell me what Obama's values are? I would love to hear your perspective.

In fact, I'll go first on Romney's values. They are:

1. Strong defense
2. Balanced Federal Budget
3. Reduce/eliminate national debt
4. Energy Independence
5. Job creation
6. Support our allies
7. Stand up to Iran and Russia
8. Reduce peoples dependance on government for living
9. Shrink the Federal government
10. Reduce taxes

Would love to hear about Obama's values.

Romney has his own agenda, as did Bush

Eric, despite some strong antiwar promises from candidate Obama, President Obama followed bushes path concerning Iraq and GITMO, and accelerated the "Just" war in Afghanistan. So we will have to distinguish him in domestic policy. He has doubled the number of months this country has spent over 8% unemployment, and he will double this total deficit by 2016 (from 10 to 20 trillion). He has moved more people from able to feed themselves to food stamps than any other president.......the list goes on.

You dodged the question. What are Obama's values?

OverMyHead wrote: What are Obama's values?

He got a Nobel Peace Prize......

OverMyHead wrote: You dodged the question. What are Obama's values?

Well, I will give it a shot if nobody else will. Maybe somebody can refute these points.

1. Pander to Gays
2. Pander to Hispanics
3. Pander to Women
4. Pander to Unions
5. Pander to our Enemies (pulled missile defense from Poland>>appease Russia)
6. Ignore Deficeit spending (annual deficeit of more than $1 Trillion)
7. Ignore National Debt (will surpass $16 Trillion this week)
8. Continues to push for public tax dollar "investments" to put "school teachers, fireman, and police" back to work (See point #4) Ever notice thats all they ever mention as to who will go back to work??
9. Disrepect/Ignore religious beliefs (forced Catholics to provide free birth control to employees of Catholic organizations)
10. Used public tax dollars to bailout auto industry (billions and billions of dollars which have not been paid back>>GM stock down sharply)
11. Pushing America on a path to Socialism
12. Pit groups of Americans against each other
13. Create class envy
14. Increase taxes.
15. Support "green energy" companies....most of which have failed, causing billions of tax payer dollars to be flushed down the toilet
16. Hatred of big oil, coal and natural gas as fuel sources
17. Believes big government can take care of us from cradle to grave (remember his ficticious character named Julia, and how the government had programs for her at every stage of her life? Welcome to "Central Planning" comrades!
15. Has a tremendous fake southern baptist minister voice he can invoke to pander to small town/southern audiences.

Help me out here guys....have I missed anything?

eric lavine wrote: Romney has his own agenda, as did Bush

Oh, and Obama dosen't OK!

Forgot to mention that Obama's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, an early community organizer, and socialist (or communist). "An interesting fellow' that helped shape a young Barry Obama. BO's grandfather felt young Barry needed an African American male influence in his life. Frank, meet Barry. Barry, say hello to Frank!

Frank Marshall Davis

again, say to yourself, if we eliminate number 1 up top, will it take care of the other 9?

harddock wrote: eric lavine wrote: again, say to yourself, if we eliminate number 1 up top, will it take care of the other 9? Problably not, and if we let Obama evolve in a second term we will continue this trend into his third, forth, and fifth terms until there is nothing left but Obama an Obama care. Is that what you really want? Or do you want us to continue to be the America we have been for 200+ years?

What America have we been for the past 200 years?
Do you really think he is good enough to rival FDR with four terms? Fantastic!

I hope this topic GOES AWAY........One vote per person, see ya at the polls..

nuf' said....Boat dr

davidg wrote: Boat Dr. ....Politics aside, It seems like this topic has been very popular given the number of responses and views.

David you see popular,

I see the demise of the America I so dearly love...Nuf said

both sides of the isle have to work together, microscopic, but you can see that going on here also...and we know that isnt going to happen, what choices do we really have? we are bombarded every single day with these cbull*************** adds tainting the entire process...I really dont know what to think anymore

This election cycle is putting friend against friend, neighbor against neighbor, sometimes with some real vile comments. It serves no purpose but does show people are not happy. Dems blame republicans for causing this, repubs blame democrats for not fixing it. Fact is both sides had their turn to say no to each others progress and nothing got done. Now everyone is mad and it it's easier to blame each other than to work it out.
We are not going to persuede either side to jump ship and join the other but this off topic forum at least affords us the right to vent, offer our opinion and share talking points with each side.

While nothing will get accomplished we do basically stay civil and no one gets hurt. In November we can each go vote and let the chips fall where they may. No one is going to pack up and leave because their guy didn't win.

That being said we are doing ourselves a service airing our political laundry here rather than holding back getting more and more frustrated.
For that reason alone we should not styfle this discussion. Like said earlier if politcs is not your bag, skip to the next subject.

Life is good without politics.