You didn build that !

JoeinNY wrote: boat dr wrote: I hope this topic GOES AWAY........One vote per person, see ya at the polls.. +1 It isn’t the election cycle that pits one against the other.. that is being purposefully done by those that wish to mislead those they can and disenfranchise the rest through disgust. They do this with well-funded propaganda, which plenty seem perfectly willing to subject themselves to for many hours per day. Using this site as another venue to repeat this propaganda as fact and help them along the way is ugly at best.

Not the election cycle, This election cycle which has become meaner and more vulgar than any I've lived through. Paid propaganda perhaps but from both sides.

Why then are you participating? If you don't like this conversation skip over to the next subject.

Perhaps some of us think the nation is being destroyed by the current occupant of the White House. I know I do. And, if that is what we think, it would be wrong not to exercise our 1st Amendment rights and voice our opinion about it.   

Boat Dr.....I would be very interested in hearing your opinion vs. just the quick drive by hits. I guess I know who will get your vote. What is going so right? Who knows, you may just change my mind. But until then, I do think we are headed down the wrong path.

I would enjoy that!

davidg wrote: I would enjoy that!

318-386-2825 The Boat Dr.

Only in America could you lie like this and be a keynote speaker at the DNC..
how soon they forget... (or dont care?)..

Explains it all. From Jon Stewart, no less.
The Party of Inclusion

Question for the liberals. Just where do you think pleasure boating fits into the current administrations policies? Take a good look the past 3 years and his background, including his beliefs. If you're still having a hard time with the answer, read his book. What he doesn't kill with fuel prices he will finish off with new EPA regs.

Anyone remember how great the marine industry was doing during the Carter fiasco? Put simply, it sucked. Obama is Carter on steroids.

Joe, you started out being the voice of reason...

Riley wrote: Joe, you started out being the voice of reason...

And it is an arduous task to try and refute lies and falsehoods carefully crafted to pander to fears and egos with facts and moderation.. it takes time that would be better spent telling someone how to make a slow boat just a bit less slow. At the same time it does annoy me that certain people are angry bullies.. and yes that is by far mostly those on the far Right.   You don't see people coming in complaining about the fact that republicans changed their party rules to silence their minorities.. but people get concerned about whether a platform for a political party in the US goes out of the way to state what the capital of a foreign country is? Right wing extremists assume or assert (and have on this very page) that anyone who is not similarly extreme and apt to go on a non related webpage to talk about how wussy and stupid them socialist democrats all are is a liberal socialist who hates america..

We have people here that like the fact that their partisans are willing to mislead, lie, cheat, disenfranchise “those type” of voters and whatever else it takes to win some silly election, but don’t really seem to care why they would either need or want to do those things to obtain a relatively low paying and thankless job. And that ticks me off...

It’s all about money.. it’s not about guns, religion, clintons bj, immigrants, free speech, abortion, gay marriage, or any other such nonsense they use to tear us apart.. follow the money trail, and if it leads to a greedy sono***************un that inherited theirs then vote.. or run against it.   

Or go out and volunteer or actually talk about these things to real people in a medium where you can have an actual conversation (the phone works) that makes a difference about how one or the other of you really thinks. But posting about it here does nothing but divide you from your neighbor (and prove we have too much time on our hands.)

Riley wrote: I think it's a sympton of how our country is divided politically and the result of the many mediums people have to be informed. Both sides are plenty guilty. I got to think if our government was as divided back just before WWII as it is today, the country would have been in big trouble.

Not supported by the facts. This country has been highly divided for nearly 100 years. Popular vote results

1924   Coolidge 54%
1928   Hoover    58%
1932   Roosevelt 57%
1936   Roosevelt 60%
1940   Roosevelt 54%
1944   Roosevelt 53%
1948   Truman    49%
1952   Eisenhower 55%
1956   Eisenhower 57%
1960   Kennedy 49%
1964   Johnson 61%
1968   Nixon 43%
1972   Nixon 60%
1976   Carter 50%
1980   Reagan 50%
1984    Reagan 58%
1988    Bush I 53%
1992    Clinton 43%
1996    Clinton 49%
2000    Bush II 47.87% (Gore got 48.38%)
2004    Bush II 50%
2008    Obama 52%

I believe the point Joe in NY is trying to make is that division is not the issue in our country. Extremism is the issue.

BKH

JoeinNY wrote: Or go out and volunteer or actually talk about these things to real people in a medium where you can have an actual conversation (the phone works) that makes a difference about how one or the other of you really thinks. But posting about it here does nothing but divide you from your neighbor (and prove we have too much time on our hands.)

Joe This is exactly why I enjoy the political discussions here. While any one post here can be off the wall, I have more faith in the collective reasoning of this site than any other source. I believe that the discussions here are like putting a finger on the pulse of the nation. This is also a great place to validate or discredit what is being put out there by others. The last thing I want to do is take disinformation from a given source and silently accept it as fact and then vote based on that misinformation like so many other sheep out there are doing. I would not dream of doing a stringer job on my boat without tapping the knowledge of the members of this site. Nor would I ever wish that a stringer thread would just go away. I would ask which is a more life affecting decision, how to do stringers or who leads our country? This is a very important conversation.

I’m not sure if this will go up since I’m a newbie but like any decent person I’ve been thinking politics lately. It seems to me that there are a few critical flaws in the electoral system today. (Big Surprise) On the presidential level, the Electoral College waters down the voting power of the more populated states and amplifies the voting powers of the sparsely populated states. (The electoral votes of a state equals the number of senators and representatives. Every state has exactly two senators and the number of representatives depends on the population within the state) On the congressional level, (which bugs me the most) the career politicians have manipulated the electoral system to ensure their cushy job security through redistricting. They don’t have to be moderate to appeal to everybody because their district, that they have molded, is comprised of the crazies that they appeal to. And on both levels there is campaign finance. Why cant public campaign financing be required so politicians don’t have to whore themselves out for campaign money? That would also remove advantages that one side might have if that side had a larger source of whore money. And the cost of public campaign financing is paltry compared to the legislative deference that is paid to the monster campaign contributors. (Wallstreet being the most blatant).

Just saying...

Okay, how about a little levity to lighten the mood a bit. Here is a cute story about some free kittens one of my friends sent me. There is a moral to the story as well.


A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the sidewalk in front of her home.

Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures; in her hand was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.

Suddenly a line of big black cars pulled up beside her.
Out of the lead car stepped a tall, grinning man.

"Hi there little girl, I'm President Obama.
What do you have in the basket?" he asked.

"Kittens," little Suzy said.

"How old are they?" asked Obama.

Suzy replied, "They're so young, their eyes aren't even open yet."

"And what kind of kittens are they?"

"Democrats," answered Suzy with a smile.

Obama was delighted. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens.

Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two men agreed that the president should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens.

So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket of "FREE KITTENS," when another motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN.

Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Obama got out of his limo and walked over to little Suzy.

"Hello, again," he said, "I'd love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you're giving away."

"Yes sir," Suzy said. "They're Republicans."

Taken by surprise, the president stammered, "But...but...yesterday, you told me they were DEMOCRATS."

Little Suzy smiled and said, "I know.

But today, they have their eyes open."

FORWARD!

I saw a president last night who is still pushing hope and change, but now he wants us to hope he has changed. He wants us to believe that even though his policies have produced 43 consecutive months of unemployment over 8% and he has not adjusted his course except to double down on what has not worked, he wants us to somehow believe that his second term will be different even though he is still preaching the same tired solutions. Just more empty promises. He is saying what he should to get what he needs so he can do what he wants.