You didn build that !

john b wrote: Something is seriously amiss when the candidate is among the wealthiest and pays less than 15% for the years he was willing to release his returns,...............Oh boy, here we go again. Romney, like Buffett, lives on his investments which are taxed at a 15% divends rate vs. ordinary income which is taxed at ~35% or so. Remember, he already paid the higher tax on that money the first time around.    and was one of the 47% who paid nothing in the years he refuses to release. ............... You are talking out your rear-end here John. You have no idea what Romney paid. I am sure you and I could live very handsomely for the rest of ours, and our childrens lives on the money Romney has paid in taxes for ONE year. As a public employee for a small city I was required to disclose all of my income each year, which could be obtained by anyone under the FOIA, but a presidential candidate isn't required and refuses to do so. Gee, do you possibly see a problem there? He REALLY doesn't want people to know he is one of those 47% who paid nothing, and that he was directing Bain in a paid position when he said he had no involvement in it. .................Again, you are talking out of your rear here. You have no idea what he paid. By the way, why won't Obama open up his college records for us to look at? What is he hiding? We all know Romney is rich beyond our wildest dreams. Thank god he has paid this country his fair share. I am sure his $$$ took care of a lot of the 47% for a loooong time.

John....I read through your other posts too. Sorry to hear you were wounded in the line of duty. Appreciate the service you gave to the state of Illinois. I am sure there must have been plenty of scary moments. See my comments to some of your comments above.

My comments are after the ...........

boat dr wrote: I am one of those that Obummer warned you about, I cling to my Bible and my GUNS in that order.........STICK A FORK IN THIS THREAD......................I'm Done......Billy

I really didn't feel the need to put a joint in this 17 year olds pocket when he sold this to me.



This one either

Did I miss something? Your political points with John are dead on but your personal attacks seem a little over the top.

John, You have my sincere respect and thanks for the job the career you chose and the service you performed. But your politics are still wack!

OverMyHead wrote: Did I miss something? Your political points with John are dead on but your personal attacks seem a little over the top. John, You have my sincere respect and thanks for the job the career you chose and the service you performed. But your politics are still wack!

Thank you, but no thanks are necessary. It isn't like they didn't pay me out of your tax dollars. I believe that if I take them, I owe the taxpayers my best effort. I just wanted to point out that we are not out there putting joints in 17 year olds pockets, but I think everyone knows that..

Remember, one man's wack is another's solemn belief. Always good to hear from you.
Thank you for not making your personal opinions a personal attack on anyone. That is the art of a good argument.
Lets keep this civil, we don't need another one flying off the handle on us!

peter1234 wrote:         " . I have been beaten, bitten, spit on, punched,           had feces thrown at me, shot at, and have heard every insult possible. "     John you are aware that only makes you an opposing team fan at a boston bruins game I readily admit that most hockey fans are much tougher than me, leave alone the players! BTW, Bobby Hull lived in the town I worked in back in the days he was playing. I never met him though. dont mind the editing

OverMyHead wrote: john b wrote: Thank you, but no thanks are necessary. It isn't like they didn't pay me out of your tax dollars. I believe that if I take them, I owe the taxpayers my best effort. I am not buying it John. That job takes a dedication that exceeds the pay grade. As a paramedic I regularly experienced the point of transition between "I cant believe I get paid to do this" and "I don't get paid nearly enough for the $#!% I have to do" I have no doubt that I am only still here due to the dedication and professionalism of the police officers working in the seven cities in which I served. Paramedics save lives, Cops save the paramedics. Again Thank you.

I believe paramedics have a much higher burn out rate. Your face is the last one that many see. You carry that home with you every day. In the town I worked in the police go out with every ambulance call, but it is spread over a force of 75 officers. I only served in uniform for 8 years, so I had limited exposure. Watching people die despite your best efforts is very hard psychologically. We would usually beat the paramedics to the scene, but when the back door slammed it wasn't our game any longer. When people meet firefighters and paramedics they always expect a warm smile. Most people have no idea what tragedies those eyes have seen and the toll it takes. Coming home after a tour and sitting down for a meal with your young children can be very difficult after one of these incidents.

harddock wrote: But you do support Obamas give away to anyone benefits. Make it easy, no restrictions. Entitlements for all, just for the asking, and oh yea we'll just tax the rich. ......... my insert OK, at the same rate everyone else pays! There are not enough rich so he will tax everybody. It didn't work for Robin Hood it won't work for Obama............my insert May I remind you that Robin Hood was a fictional character in English folklore. Fictional characters always have difficulty making their scheme work in reality. Romneys way may not be the best but it is a hell of alot better.

Give benefits to anyone? Tell me how to qualify!

john b wrote: Give benefits to anyone? Tell me how to qualify!

Swallow your pride and independence and just ask. There is a program for nearly everybody. GE gets money to build and sell otherwise unprofitable windmills. Farmers get paid to not farm. Workers get paid to not work. Ethanol plants get paid to produce and sell otherwise unprofitable gas. people get paid to study the mating habits if the teensy fly. There is no end.

OverMyHead wrote: john b wrote: Give benefits to anyone? Tell me how to qualify! Swallow your pride and independence and just ask. There is a program for nearly everybody. GE gets money to build and sell otherwise unprofitable windmills. Farmers get paid to not farm. Workers get paid to not work. Ethanol plants get paid to produce and sell otherwise unprofitable gas. people get paid to study the mating habits if the teensy fly. There is no end.

GE gets corporate welfare to the tune of $4,000,000,000 and pays essentially no tax in this country.

Farm subsidies have been reduced dramatically in the past few years. Farmers are now growing corn to make ethanol instead of being paid to do nothing

The money spent on ethanol plants employs thousands, and those dollars don't go to our "friends" in the middle east.

No, there is no end to the things you can learn if you do research.

ARE YOU AWARE:
Use of the Fruit Fly and other insects have been such a workhorse in science labs, and that two Americans and a German won a Nobel prize in 1995 by using fruit flies to discover how genes control the human body's development.

Remarkably, the fruit fly has about 75 percent of known human disease genes. Thus it’s an ideal model for studies of disease. It is cheaper to feed than lab mice. And it produces a new generation every two weeks or so.

When some bubbleheaded politician like John Kline, a Minnesota Republican, scoff at this kind research it is obvious they are clueless. Do they think advances in medicine and technology are found in the kitchen junk drawer. This is why we are falling so far behind.

Riley wrote: Explain this "GE gets corporate welfare to the tune of $4,000,000,000 and pays essentially no tax in this country". You're so in the tank for the Dems, Obama and the Progressives that it's difficult to believe anything you say. You can rationalize anything. You can learn a lot if you do research, but you can also find a source on the web to tell you whatever it is you want to hear.

How about this. I would imagine you would trust Forbes and the company's own tax returns.

http://www.forbes.com/2011/04/13/ge-exxon-walmart-apple-business-washington-corporate-taxes.html

You would imagine wrong. I don't trust any source, especially this year, but I don't believe that GE doesn't pay taxes or received 4,000 million in corporate welfare, whatever corporate welfare means. It's a pretty broad term.

davidg wrote: No, I won't explain (not sure I have the answers), but, I will ask you a question. If you are unhappy with the income growth of the striving and middle classes, how should this problem be solved? A.) Tax the wealthier classes and redistribute the money to the lower classes? OR B.) Create the correct conditions so new businesses can be started, and people can hire the lower classes to help lift their income? By the way there OOW, you are sounding a lot like an "OWS" type with all that talk of the 1% and income distribution issues. I hope I get a serious response instead of the snarkey Tea Party, and Romney comments. Would really like to see what your thinking is to lift EVERYONE'S inccome. PS: You do know that the top 1% pay ~40% of all Federal Income Taxes don't you? And that the bottom 50% pay ~0% of Federal Income Taxes??

As likely as it may seem to you, those choices suck.
A} sucks because "redistribution" implies the rich take zero benefit from the tax, and that is still under contention apparently.

B} is a bad choice for me to because I don't agree your party is able to accomplish that goal, nor do I think the riches place in this is to "hire the poor to help lift their income" when your party is constantly fighting for lower wages and less jobs.

You and I just disagree on how to get there, that much we agree on.



Those were serious comments. Didn't you post a pic of you in front of the Romoney bus? I mean, REALLY, didn't you support all the other GOP candidates before this one? He selected Ryan and you fell right in line with the TEA party and promptly post, on this forum, how wonderful you think RYan is? But didn't know about his "budget" failure?
I just thought someone had to be paying you to post the way you do.

To me, this discussion went way past "snarky", a long time ago, and many threads before this one.   



By the way, your last bit;

"PS: You do know that the top 1% pay ~40% of all Federal Income Taxes don't you? And that the bottom 50% pay ~0% of Federal Income Taxes??"

That bottom fifty you state includes the elderly, students, young workers, and people that DO NOT MAKE ENOUGH to pay Federal Income Taxes.
But,
they do pay Payroll Tax, which the rich don't, or only up to 100k. That's done in what, 1 paycheck? Payroll tax free after that.

I still think the middle class gets screwed by your party. You may be able to work up from the poor to the working middle class. But aren't working from there to the top 1%, with your own two hands and gray matter, you don't do that yourself.     



Wanna know how I think a good way to increase EVERYONES income? Not an expert or anything, but Romoney is exactly like Bush, but a little quicker, and that era was pretty damn bad. So bad, it carried over for a long time.
It's not the party, it's their politics.

Since a couple seem entertained by the photos I posted, here are a few more just for giggles.

Making kilos just like grandma used to make, from our old family recipe. Yes, they are real!

Sir, I would like to ask you, what's in your bags?

Two of my UCVs. (under cover vehicles)

The UCB (under cover boat)

I don't miss it, but it was fun while I was doing it. Retirement and CCs are more my speed these days.

harddock wrote: Wow so cool and so smart. Damn, we are not worthy to be in your presence. Plus your a Reverand. Do you have a cape and tights too? Maybe you should run for office and singlehandedly fix the country!

Since when did we mock people for posting pictures of themselves and thier toys on this site - closest thing in this thread to being of any value.

harddock wrote: Wow so cool and so smart. Damn, we are not worthy to be in your presence. Plus your a Reverand. Do you have a cape and tights too? Maybe you should run for office and singlehandedly fix the country!

Cool? Smart? It is obvious you don't know me, I am seldom, if ever accused of being either one of these. I was often referred to a "The Nutty Professor" at work, with the emphasis on nutty.
As a matter of fact the following assessment of my work is why I posted the photos, which I have never done before anywhere on the Interweb. I will take this as hard earned lesson not to post any of these photos anywhere again.

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"Whats wrong, cant you get a real job ??? A job,can you spell ,Work. WORK that requires a bit of sweat and the use of "grey matter" that you seem to short of. But then again , "Public Servant",this is a noble position.
We need more dog catchers and garbage collectors. Maybe a few more Tax Collectors to steal from ME and give to your uneducated ASS......."

I felt a little offended by this and wanted to demonstrate what we lazy union government employees do.
I never thought that I was stealing from the taxpayers when my paycheck was deposited every other week, and I worked hard to earn it. Today so much of the conversation is about how everyone who works for unions or the government is lazy and screwing the system. My job was no more important than what others do, and possibly less important than most. (well, maybe more important than the guy who invented the pet rock). Certainly the city building inspectors, forestry department, parks department, firefighters, paramedics, road builders, garbage collectors, and dog catchers (CSOs or Community Service Officers where I come from) provide services that are essential for the health, enjoyment, and safety of our citizens. Most of us make contributions to society, the country, and mankind. It is who we are as a country. Why are we so hateful?
BTW, I do have some tights and a cape, but they have been reserved for the exclusive viewing of my wife.
If this thread heats up a little more I may post a photo, it will be the death blow to "you didn build that" to all but those with the strongest of stomachs.