You didn build that !

Just check the sheets...

JoeinNY wrote: By his own words he is a "severe conservative". Nothing objective in his proposals put him anything other than way to the right of Reagan. Obama the tax cutter is a moderate.. you guys wouldnt know a liberal if ya saw one.

I'm reading one's post right now.

I love fox news. Watch the I-man in the morning. Barney and Lou and Gerri Willis do it right.

if you're here and crazy voices in your head, turn off fox News!

62 wood wrote: Just wondering, Do any Lefties agree that the deficit needs to be CUT?

Seriously? Just because some disagree on how it should be done you think "righties" have a lock on being the champions of deficit reduction.. who was it that said that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" it wasn't no leftie.

You do understand that an actual leftie wouldnt run a deficit they would just raise taxes because a leftie believes that taxing those that have "too much" is good for society.

A moderate believes we should decide what we want to pay for then tax equitably at a rate that pays for it.

The republican plan seems to be we should cut taxes even though we currently spend more than we take in, then we should spend more on stuff that blows up but figure out a way to not pay all those people that we promised social security and medicare to that were paying into it for the last 50 years..

As for dems vs republicans.. in my life it has gone like this

President who passed the budget      Deficit
1976 Ford     297
1977 Ford     203
1978 Carter     208
1979 Carter     128
1980 Carter     206
1981 Carter     200
1982 Reagan      304
1983 Reagan      479
1984 Reagan      410
1985 Reagan      452
1986 Reagan      462
1987 Reagan      302
1988 Reagan      300
1989 Reagan      281
1990 Bush     388
1991 Bush     453
1992 Bush     474
1993 Bush     405
1994 Clinton     314
1995 Clinton     247
1996 Clinton     157
1997 Clinton     31
1998 Clinton     -97
1999 Clinton     -173
2000 Clinton     -315
2001 Clinton     -165
2002 Bush II     201
2003 Bush II     470
2004 Bush II     501
2005 Bush II     373
2006 Bush II     282
2007 Bush II     178
2008 Bush II     489
2009 Bush II     1510
2010 Obama     1360
2011 Obama     1324
2012 Obama     1100

that is adjusted for inflation numbers.. in Billions
Based off my limited experience when democratic presidents sign budgets is the only time deficits go steadily down. It don't happen overnight when there are two wars on and an economic collapse to deal with...

I was born in 1976.. so I cannot confirm what that liberal biased history says happened before that. Frankly, I am not so sure the world existed.. I will have to check with fox to find out the real story

If Obama is such a leftie how come he hasn't yet raised taxes on anyone for anything, that dumb son of a gun has been slashing taxes to try and grow the economy, wait isn't that what Mitt says he is going to do? (Yeah I know Obamacare's mandate is a tax... well boo freaking hoo that was romneys idea too.. he actually voted for it, before he said he would vote against it, But that was before he said he will keep a lot of it, I think.)

Seriously my biggest complaint about Obama is that he campaigned on raising taxes and then couldnt or didnt get it done, in fact he did the opposite which is to lower taxes. I still vote to let the suppossed fiscal cliff happen, with or without warnings of mass layoffs.


So now I have officially fed the trolls

Joe,
I apologize for that statement. Of coarse we all want whats best for the country. My question is, how much do taxes have to be raised to get the deficit under control?    ....   AND, until the government (Dems and Repubs.) decide they have to stop stupid spending, I really dont want to pay anymore taxes than I already do. Just throw more money at it and the problem is fixed?


Good example, last year, our city received a 2.7 million dollar grant... under the Neighborhood Stabilization Program.   They remodeled 2 existing homes and built 8 new homes that are on the market in the $90,000 to $120,000 range. Lets see, $270,000/per home, sell them for an average of 100K.... I didnt take time to calculate, but I think they are in the red?

It was supposed to help local contractors/ builders. The general contractor was form Springfield IL (about 200 miles away). The homes got panelized in Peoria IL (about 90 miles away). Really helped the locals!!!

Ohhh, the people buying them are subsidized as well... doesnt take long to figure out no one else could make a go of this.

Joe,
These homes had been foreclosed on already. The city razed them to build the new. There are lots of homes for sale in the city at discounted prices already. Would they not have been better to raze the repo's and sell the lots? (maybe even break even... novel idea for a government?)

Another side effect, Like a lot of government programs that help a few but hurt others. I used to buy, fix up and sell homes. Still have friends that do this. How are they supposed to compete with a brand new subsidized home for 90g?

AND ....HUD has had programs similar to this before, even back in "The Day" when things were booming. In the late 70's we had LOTS of maunfacturing and great agriculture in region but we still had the "slum" areas of town. (Some of them the 47%ers? ) HUD came in and remodeled a lot of these homes. Some still look good, most are cr@p again. What did it prove?

harddock wrote: How come Obama hasn't passed a budget since he became President? Seems that this used to be a requirement. He did have cntrol of both houses for the first two years so republicans can't be the reason. So then why?

if you do a little research you can find out for yourself. do we have to do everything for you?
it's not a secret like Romney's tax returns!

JoeinNY wrote: I would also institute a heavily progressive death tax on all sums above a few million dollars.. you might have built that but we dont need your kids getting more than a few million head start before having to kick in a signfificant portion.. keep them hungry..

Why not Take away from the government and keep it hungry? Who does all this money belong too? We have a government that has grown into a money hungry beast. In my experience when you feed the beast it gets bigger and hungrier. To suggest that the solution is to give the government more money is either naive or insane.

I thought the whole problem was the 47% aren't paying their fair share because they're getting more from the government than they're paying into it. Isn't that a Ponzi scheme?

good one john b   i wonder why on he off topic discussions I roll my eyes at you and on general discussions i really like you ,   interesting

JoeinNY wrote: 62 wood wrote: Just wondering, Do any Lefties agree that the deficit needs to be CUT? You do understand that an actual leftie wouldnt run a deficit they would just raise taxes because a leftie believes that taxing those that have "too much" is good for society. If Obama is such a leftie how come he hasn't yet raised taxes on anyone for anything, Seriously my biggest complaint about Obama is that he campaigned on raising taxes and then couldnt

What for? What good does it raising taxes on people that have to much. Live the American dream and be who you want and as much money as you want. Poor people dont hire the rich people do.

Thank god for the Bush tax cuts. When they end..... o hell They better do something. As the fiscal cliff is on its way.

Romneys record does speak for itself.

http://www.realromneyrecord.com/cases/gst-steel

Sorry John, but I looked and looked and ask everywhere so since you know, Why did Obama not pass a budget while in his first term?

eric lavine wrote: Greg, Bernie Madoff was a very successful man in making a buck, can a man chiseling out a living paycheck to paycheck putting 3 kids to college be considered successful? I hate that cliche that Romney is successful....but too, you can also consider him a thief, in my eyes paying 14% makes him a thief.....when you dont file your own returns, its easy to blame a mistake or so called mistake on someone else. Obama is a master at public speaking, he will tear Romney a new ***************

A THEIF?!!?

He's already paid regular income tax on that money...the 14% is uncle sam's second bite at that apple. So add the 14 to his other rate.

I think I saw Madoff got 150 years; as it should be. How can you make a legitimate comparison that way?!!?

I just want people to put aside all the filters they see their life through and take an honest think about all of this. There's something wrong when a candidate is breaking the law(WARN=layoffs, MOVE-military voting standards) and jumping the shark(now I have to hug my garbage man) to get elected.

The healthcare bill is 2700 pages long and the tax code stands around 6 feet tall; we're supposed to have all of that with breakfast when we can carry a copy of the US Constitution in our inside pocket?