You didn build that !

Well gents, I believe so strongly in this campaign and that Obama needs to go, I went up to Wisconsin to work the phones at a Republican Victory center in Kenosha yesterday. Illinois is a lost cause as the unions and the Dems control it (and, we are in very bad financial shape here too).

However, there is a chance to save Wiscsonsin, and have Wisconsin help save the country too. So, I did what I could. LOTS of very favorable responses for Romney. People up there are energized and can't wait to vote for Romney. There were actually quite a few folks that came up from Illinois to pitch in.

Funny though, when I would call the 608 area code (Madison), there did seem to be a few Obama voters. Madison is the belly of the liberal beast (think OnOneWheel and Jammin).

OverMyHead wrote: Any one read this tid bit. Obama wont release regulations

Why, I am shocked....SHOCKED!!!

Yes, I read this. If we thought his first term was bad, I don't think we have seen anything yet. I think we are really going to have to brace ourselves if he gets elected to a second term.....god forbid.

Waterdog wrote:    David, - Good on ya! d/a - it's a funny thing to see you belive in something.         you say you don't but you do you little stinker.         Jackson Brown is another great story teller.

Yea, that song was written about the Reagan administration and the illegal Iran Contra affair (you know, Ollie north) where Reagan supplied arms to our best friend in the whole world Iran.
D/A Dig Boy

davidg wrote: Well gents, I believe so strongly in this campaign and that Obama needs to go, I went up to Wisconsin to work the phones at a Republican Victory center in Kenosha yesterday. Illinois is a lost cause as the unions and the Dems control it (and, we are in very bad financial shape here too). However, there is a chance to save Wiscsonsin, and have Wisconsin help save the country too. So, I did what I could. LOTS of very favorable responses for Romney. People up there are energized and can't wait to vote for Romney. There were actually quite a few folks that came up from Illinois to pitch in. Funny though, when I would call the 608 area code (Madison), there did seem to be a few Obama voters. Madison is the belly of the liberal beast (think OnOneWheel and Jammin).

You may be a little late on this. There are many people making calls on behalf of Romney. The people I know from the Romney campaign offices are explaining to seniors how Medicare and Social Security will be replaced with vouchers and reduced payments and telling women that it is better if the government decides what they can do with their bodies.
I also did a bit of driving for people up there in Wisconsin who had no transportation to the polls for the early voting that started on the 22nd of last month. It is nice to have the time to perform this service to voters. The only people who are being reached with phone calls are old people who still have a land line, and are stupid enough to to answer a blocked or unknown phone call on it.
Snicker Snicker
D/A Dig Boy

OverMyHead wrote:

john b wrote: set your clock back one hour on Sunday, not 50 years on Tuesday.

National debt in 1962 303 billion. Sign me up.

john b wrote:     I also did a bit of driving for people up there in Wisconsin who had no transportation to the polls for the early voting that started on the 22nd of last month. It is nice to have the time to perform this service to voters.

Whats a vote up in Wisconsin costing the Democrats these days John? A pack of cigarettes, and a fifth of cheap vodka?

Hansel, that was tongue in check stirring of the pot. I am always amazed that the party of "Choice" wants to tell me to wear my seat belt/helmet, where I can smoke, the MPG of my car, the type of light bulb I should use, the insurance I need to buy,which minorities I should hire,how much more I should pay in taxes. where I can pray and put a Christmas tree....... If I am not a women do I have a choice left to make? Well I am making one, Romney.

OverMyHead wrote:

OK Dave, I'd like to quickly respond to some of the stuff your recent posts. Don't think of this as me arguing so much as providing what I believe are valid counterpoints. I will probably just let this all go for a bit after this post since I have some pressing matters to attend to and I fear we are all getting dangerously close to Mr. Churchill's definition of a fanatic ("Can't change his mind and won't change the subject"), and surely some of us are already passed that a long, long time ago (like, maybe on July 16, 2012 at 8:30am when "You didn build that !" first came into being).

I should have used more precise language and said that there is NO PROFIT (instead of "NO MONEY") in helping the poor. I stand by my differentiation of dividing the economy into a public (government), private (for-profit), and voluntary (non-profit) sectors. My point was that there is a role for both the public and voluntary sectors to do things that there are or should be no profit in. Cases in point including helping the poor (won't make a profit there) or rebuilding after a major hurricane (shouldn't be profit driven motives here either).

You challenged me to leave the country in response to me telling you to leave the grid. One of the ironies of this is that I can find lots of working places that people want to live that are what you might consider socialist so I have some pretty good options. You, with your "contempt" for government actually have very few places to go and they are not very attractive. That should tell you something about the end results of your arguments.

I don't get to count payroll TAXES as taxes now since they benefit me? Well then I guess I'm just going to write off all taxes since they go to support all kinds of things than benefit me like roads, schools, police, firemen, the military, etc... You are always saying the problem with taxes is that they don't let me use my money as I see fit. So how does a payroll tax not count by that definition?

I'll counter your concern for taxation of the rich with a slight twist of your quote, "The POOR are paying taxes every time they turn around, there is no free lunch for them as you would have us believe."

OverMyHead wrote: JoeinNY wrote: Dave still wants to take us back to 1937.. I would love to go back to 1937 and tell them what the future looks like in relation to what they were planning on implementing at that time. Imagine if they knew that within 75 years medicare and social security would cost double their estimate, or if their influence would lead to a 16 trillion dollar deficit and Medicare /social security going broke all at the same time. Our country would probably look a little different today.

Finally, I love this gem because it seems to sum up all of your arguments and illustrates why I and others find it hard to take you seriously (read "Confessions of a former Republican"). You want the world to go back to the way it was but that is just never going to happen. The challenge isn't to try to put the genie back into the bottle, it is to move forward with honest solutions to actual problems. Not fanciful and simplistic one liners that attack straw men. There is an important place for conservative principles, thinking, and philosophy in the world today. The problem is that instead of creating a legitimate dialogue with progressives, conservatism has chosen to bury its collective head in the sand, denying sweeping changes in society and the natural world. Demographic shifts in the American population? Nope, straight white men will rule forever. Global climate change? No problem with that hoax. Taxes supporting legitimate roles of government? Nah, who need's 'em. Technology fundamentally revolutionizing the now global economy? I want my old job back! The list is seemingly endless.

I vote for Republicans and Democrats, whoever I believe has honest workable solutions to the problems we face. I'd like to see more Republicans, on this site and on the ballot, face up to reality and give the country real solutions to real problems. Not a bunch of conspiracy theories, fear-mongering (shout out to the bizarre "bullet" comment and some of the "civil war" predictions that followed), and wishful thinking that just wants the world to go back to the way it was in 1937, 1861, 1776, 1620, etc...

davidg wrote: john b wrote:     I also did a bit of driving for people up there in Wisconsin who had no transportation to the polls for the early voting that started on the 22nd of last month. It is nice to have the time to perform this service to voters. Whats a vote up in Wisconsin costing the Democrats these days John? A pack of cigarettes, and a fifth of cheap vodka?

Just a day or two of my time to insure that citizens are allowed to exercise their constitutional right and civic duty, a right that is currently being threatened.

And to touch on more of my comment of civil war in the streets. Think of it like this, it will come from the poor people you created this term. When the goverment does not have no more money to handout, guess what,"I want my check"!! Sorry, we BROKE!! So how will they react?? Most people will react in anger. Just like Greece has. People fighting in the streets etc. Vandlizing business etc. Bunch of horse ***************!

Obama has not done anything that the republicans insisted he would do back in 08.

I am not driven by false fears and ignorance.

I'll be moving forward with Obama.
Not backward with Romney.

I just realized that many of you probably don't know what Plutonomy is. Well, here is the definition.

Plutonomy