You didn build that !

i think we should legalize doctor assisted suicide...seriously...makes sense in every way. last year i watched my last two remaining grandparents die in a hospital...i don't want to go out like that...

GlassSeeker wrote: This is where the death panels come in

Yea screw it huh. Push them off the cliff is really Obama's strategy.

When have doctors EVER competed?

quinner wrote: Believe one key factor not mentioned is the threshold, number of employees, to fall under those guidelines. 50 comes to mind however not certain that is it. Historically we payed 100% healthcare for employee and also match IRA contributions up to 5% of gross as well as cover public transportation commuting costs for any/all full time employees. Could argue required benifits either way, probably why I am pro union. What concerns me is if all healthcare premiums skyrocket as a result.

I am not getting into the politics here, but to answer the question on health insurance, we just got our renewal yesterday for our company taking effect first of Feb. My family plan went up around $500 a month and has less benefits than I had before. Of course we are like Quinner and pay 100% of employess insurance. I guess we will have to look into that!

I am gonna watch the democrat party trash themselves, and then POOOOFFFFF. Off in the wind the go.

since when should A hospital have to advertise on TV? this week I scratched my cornea (very painful) and had to make a brief visit to the ER, I went to saint vincents, got there around 7 am, I was there until roughly 9am, I was the only patient there and the doctor and I had some good conversation since he wasn't busy at all...well he went on to saying that they will be shutting down soon to lack of business because everyone goes to the Cleveland clinic (which advertises immensely here) well what I think is happening is a monopoly, in monopoly you name your price, it surely isn't competition. competition would lower prices. but back to the beginning of my post here, why is there a need to advertise for hospital services....simple, to control the market you are in. every doctor in town signed on with CC, I think in the past that I have posted about my mother's situation of being on TPM, she needed to be fed interveniosly in the past 15 years of her life, twice a week and the bags were around 1500 apiece, they wee shipped to her FedEx cold and she would keep them in a fridge, anyways on her passing I threw 7 bags away, while in intensive care they would not let me bring the feeding bags down, they used theirs (I see the liabilities of it) but in your mind calculate 2 bags a week by 15 years, wtf is in these bags that could possibly cost 1500 bucks a crack

skicat2001 wrote: The reason for helathcare costs rising with the exsiting one, is there is no competion in the market. When doctors compete against one another, prices go down tremoundlsy. BTW, this stat come out yesterday that 3 million registred republicans choose not to vote. WTFREEK!!

Lee....I know what you are saying. It's not necessarily just the doctors competing, but, rather introducing free market competition into the healthcare industry in general. Competition ALWAYS brings prices down, and increases quality. Think American auto industry in the 60's and 70's, and the Japanese cars coming into our market. It caused Detroit to improve quality to meet the competition.

Also, another great example is Lasik eye surgery. That is normally something that is more private payer driven, and they have done a great job of increasing quality, and driving pricing down because they have to compete with each other.


But, Obama will just "mandate" what the industry shall do, and I think costs will rise dramatically, and quality will go down. But, big government knows best.   

Another great example is the US Postal Service. $15 BILLION loss this year.

US Postal Service Loss of $15 BILLION in 2012

davidg wrote: skicat2001 wrote: The reason for helathcare costs rising with the exsiting one, is there is no competion in the market. When doctors compete against one another, prices go down tremoundlsy. BTW, this stat come out yesterday that 3 million registred republicans choose not to vote. WTFREEK!! Lee....I know what you are saying. It's not necessarily just the doctors competing, but, rather introducing free market competition into the healthcare industry in general. Competition ALWAYS brings prices down, and increases quality. Think American auto industry in the 60's and 70's, and the Japanese cars coming into our market. It caused Detroit to improve quality to meet the competition. Also, another great example is Lasik eye surgery. That is normally something that is more private payer driven, and they have done a great job of increasing quality, and driving pricing down because they have to compete with each other. But, Obama will just "mandate" what the industry shall do, and I think costs will rise dramatically, and quality will go down. But, big government knows best.    Another great example is the US Postal Service. $15 BILLION loss this year. US Postal Service Loss of $15 BILLION in 2012

I am right there with you my friend. Obama philoshy is not in the free market. He beleives where all stupid and need the goverment to make our decsions each day.

I am just curious with you guys up north? Has that 16oz bottle mandate go in effect yet

well I prefer he raises taxes on the rich than raising them on the middle class. The rich can afford it.

How much of the debt is raising taxes on the rich going to pay down?

62 wood wrote: How much of the debt is raising taxes on the rich going to pay down?

I think he wants to do the same ol crap. Raise taxes so he can ask to raise the debt ceiling. SPEND MORE TAX PAYERS MONEY!

They just dont get it do they. You raise taxes on the wealthy, the job growth stinks. They are the job creators. And also raising taxes does not create more revunue. Never has and never will.

This is another example that just "P" me off on these regulations. A company, cant think of the name, has been trying to pass there engine for big trucks. it failed because of all the federal regulations involved. They then tried too redoe the engine to the new specs of federal regulation and still failed. They just layed off 300 people and said more to follow. They just dont get it. And on another note, I feel sorry for the coal miners also. They are having big layoffs too because Obama the magnificent, hates coal and are natural energy resources. Cant beleive he invensted in 90 billion dollars worth towards green energy and they all went "Bankrupt"!

harddock wrote: skicat2001 wrote: I am just curious with you guys up north? Has that 16oz bottle mandate go in effect yet No. A 5th of Jack Daniels is still available.

bkhallpass wrote: I think everyone should buy a plane ticket to CO or WA and chill :) BKH

Now that is a plan I can understand.   
Is there reunions in those two states?

Anyone ever look into the revenue weed generates? I find it amazing really, and I bet others would as well, if looked at objectively, with all the facts and related figures.

skicat2001 wrote: A company, cant think of the name, has been trying to pass there engine for big trucks. it failed because of all the federal regulations involved. They then tried too redoe the engine to the new specs of federal regulation and still failed. They just layed off 300 people and said more to follow.

That is how the economy is supposed to work, Lee. If you can't compete, you fail.
Here is where the jobs from the company you can't remember the name of probably went, to a company that builds great products and can compete in a global market. Cummins.

Cummins has seen substantial growth in recent years and has a nearly 80 percent jump in profits for 2011. Cummins has a record worldwide workforce of 46,200 people, including some 7,800 in Indiana. Cummins is expanding it's Columbus offices and has a $219 million project to expand its Seymour factory for production of a new high-speed diesel engine. Cummins currently has a hiring freeze on, but expects to hire many workers in Columbus and Seymour between now and 2015.

Cummins stock closed at $24 on the day Obama took office, it closed at $97.10 Friday. It wasn't Caterpillar either, $30 when Obama took office, closed at $84.95 Friday. Not bad if I do say so myself.
(Disclaimer, I have positions in Cummins Inc. and Caterpillar Inc.)
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