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BTW when you are trying to deal with the middle east falling apart - along with running the country you dont send the people doing the work to find out what the hell happened out of the office to do the sunday talk shows.. that to me is why this is silly.

You send out someone to make a statement, assure the country that you are on the mutha and not give anything away that will inform the bad actors that you do or dont know who they are.. while the adults stay home on and the job. Shooting the messenger who clearly read what she was given, and didnt miss any of the nuance seems to be a waste of time... like skipping a briefing to complain to the press that your not getting briefed pure unadulterated grandstanding and it it helping our troops or diplomats.

You guys remember what your so called adult was doing during the egypt protests at this time.. jumping right out to talk to the press while we had people in harms way -

I am still waiting to hear one rational explanation of what Obama or his executive branch could have or should have done differently to either prevent or diminish the effects of this terrorist attack while it was underway or to go after those who committed the acts after the case. Cause all this nonsense about who said what on talk shows is by definition a fake controversy.. it was only the lamestream media anyway right?
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Supposedly, one of the Seals that later was killed, requested help and was denied. Couldn't they have sent in a team of Seals? That seems like a reasonable question to me.
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Joe i doubt anyone on here would say Mitt wasnt a bit of an out of touch nerd who pulled crap like Obama did but can you really say in all honesty that Ob probably isnt guilty of some dishonesty in this ? for whatever reasons he may put forth or do you only wear blue glasses   you always used to seem well informed and balanced in your opinions and statements   but lately it seems you only see the other side of issues . Is some of it just frustration with extreme righty opinions and statements in your face all the time?
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Stuff is fixing to hit the fan with this Rice scandal.
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Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Dragging the head of the CIA over to congress every three days to talk about what was said on talk shows a few days after an attack does not get justice for anyone.. it infact slows down the process.

You want to put troops in africa to support our diplomats to prevent this type of tragedy in the future.. then I agree.. but if you want to know who consistently cuts funding for anything having to do with diplomacy do a little research it doesnt lead to the democrats.

The rest is monday morning quarterbacking.. newsflash send in a helicopter in the middle of the night to pull people out of the annex and it would have been shot down and you would have had a lot more dead than 4.

Talking about susan rice doesnt address anything having to do with the levels of security before the attack, the response to the attack, or any other thing except trying to make republicans relevent on national security after becoming so very bad at it in the last 20 years when they have been concentrating on sucking up to the ultra rich.

I will believe that one of these guys has the interests of our troops in mind and not politics the second they stop talking about sunday morning talk shows and start talking about providing adequate funding for diplomatic security.


Every bit of this is both on BO and Yak squeeze. Too bad he can't blame Bush anymore.

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God forbid when "your generation" takes cotrol of "My Life"........Billy
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Joe..................

God forbid when "your generation" takes cotrol of "My Life"........Billy


Billy,
Hopefully it wont happen until we're in a nursing home, being spoon fed by someone.

Although, At times, I feel like there are already those days....
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Supposedly, one of the Seals that later was killed, requested help and was denied. Couldn't they have sent in a team of Seals? That seems like a reasonable question to me.


These facts are already out there - nearest strike teams were mobilized and on the way - no there were not seals or any other strikeforce being held back - there simply is not a quick response team in africa - below is information from the Africom info sheet.. youll notice they operate primarily out of a base in Germany.

If someone is really interested in this take the time to read the timelines and actual testimonies from those involved, not the conjecture of people who watch too many movies and then talk on fox.

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U.S. Africa Command has approximately 2,000 assigned personnel, including military, U.S. federal civilian employees, and U.S. contractor employees. About 1,500 work at the command's headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany. Others are assigned to AFRICOM units at MacDill Air Force Base, Florida, and RAF Molesworth, England. The command's programs in Africa are coordinated through Offices of Security Cooperation and Defense Attache Offices in approximately 38 nations. The command also has liaison officers at key African posts, including the African Union, the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), and the Kofi Annan International Peacekeeping and Training Centre in Ghana.

AFRICOM is part of a diverse interagency team that reflects the talents, expertise, and capabilities within the entire U.S. government. The command has four Senior Foreign Service (SFS) officers in key positions as well as more than 30 personnel from more than 10 U.S. government departments and agencies, including the Departments of State and Homeland Security, and the U.S. Agency for International Development. The most senior is a career State Department official who serves as the deputy to the commander for civil-military activities. Our interagency partners bring invaluable expertise to help the command ensure its plans and activities complement those of other U.S. government programs and fit within the context of U.S. foreign policy.

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Joe, You keep brushing over the fact that the administration had information from day one that this was a terrorist attack. Petraeus has said this. Why did they promote a completely false story for nearly two weeks. I would be fine with them saying we don't have the facts or that they do not wish to share the facts for security reasons, but why three weeks before the election were they sticking to a false story, and why was it done by a UN ambassador instead of the secretary of state or an intelligence spokesman?
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So silly.     

Beside what Joe has stated, I also think there is a bit of truth to there being more.   There is always more when it comes to the GOP.

Trash Rice bad enough and she won't stand a chance to be Sec of state, that leaves Kerry, which opens a seat in Mass., just for Scott Brown to run, again.
Sore losers.   


That idea was put forth by a progressive, and copied here.   


Great job you guys of leading your party down the path of no return. Keep pegging away at it, and let the Dems do the job the GOP isn't willing to.   Not a winning plan, nor a good way to spend political capitol.
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Day in and day out READ The Drudge Report.

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So silly.     



Great job you guys of leading your party down the path of no return. Keep pegging away at it, and let the Dems do the job the GOP isn't willing to.


Would that be th3e job of raising taxes, or the job of increasing spending?
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that would be great to see Scott Brown get back in .. I wonder if there will be as much $ spent on that election as the last one... disgusting   for both parties
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The thing that is troubling on this scandal, she lied to the american people, blammed it on a youtube video and we had F-15's,and F-16'S a hr and a half away, and was still denied. And so has Obama the magnificeint.

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Susan Rice made some comments after the UN vote on Palestine today (appropriate for a UN ambassador) I just don't know if what she said meant anything or if it was just some false talking points she was given.

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What?   You are not going to point out Romney went to the White house to advise the President?


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Originally posted by OverMyHead OverMyHead wrote:

Originally posted by ononewheel ononewheel wrote:

So silly.     



Great job you guys of leading your party down the path of no return. Keep pegging away at it, and let the Dems do the job the GOP isn't willing to.


Would that be th3e job of raising taxes, or the job of increasing spending?




I think you can safely assume both are going to happen, even some of the GOP is turning.   Poor Grover, will he have any friends left? Sounds like some have figured out a way around the "pledge".


Anyway, that job I referred to is, moving forward. The public is not buying the argument against Rice, they see it as the same old Washington, on both sides maybe.



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What?   You are not going to point out Romney went to the White house to advise the President?




Apparently even Obama knows Romney was the candidate with working ideas to get us out of this mess.
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It's interesting that both men don't want to talk about turkey chili...more to come? Carney said they wanted to have a private conversation. That's what I'd say after 2 men had a private conversation.

Tahrir Square is VERY crowded as I type...

And isn't it the job of the person hired to put forth the work/plan? What is it, 3 weeks burned with a still vacant table? Why is "empty chair" ringing in my head?

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Originally posted by OverMyHead OverMyHead wrote:

Originally posted by ononewheel ononewheel wrote:

What?   You are not going to point out Romney went to the White house to advise the President?




Apparently even Obama knows Romney was the candidate with working ideas to get us out of this mess.



Sorry Dave, but I hear they had "white turkey chili" and "southwest turkey salad".


Wonder if Romney knew he ate leftovers for the first time.


Seriously though, it is sort of funny.
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Some of you guys have NO idea -

There ARE SUPER SONIC Aircraft sitting on the end of a runway
within 2 hours of Bengusi(sp)
I HAVE witnessed pilots from a dead sleep to wheels up in
NINE MINUTES now thats an AMERICAN doing exactly what he's
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You ever see a jet go over you head at 500 feet and a THOUSAND
MILES an hour???? -

I talked to my son an hour ago. NOW HE IS on a non stop flight to Dubi and will be in Afganastan tomorrow night.

He's THE GUY doing the dirty work you guys can't.


Some of you guys have NO idea -

You want you know, you think you know -

YOU DON'T KNOW - PEROID

The Holidays are coming up try sitting in a
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Chrismas to New Years.
And pretend your 8000 miles from your loved ones.


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Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Why is "empty chair" ringing in my head?


I could have been more positive/optimistic about this; we do have a full airplane, and surely they have chairs on board.
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That's an attention getter that can get there too fast. What does Congress have to say about the massively expensive upgrading they did after 9/11/01? The same upgrades that were designed to handle it yesterday. And to say that we don't have pre-packaged op plans for nearly any possible situation is just silly.

I still wonder why we haven't heard much about the overseas military ballots. I'm not crying conspiracy theory here, but they did poll over 2 to 1 for Romney. Maybe the 500 generals should have come forward sooner.

God bless the men who gave their lives to get some of the others out.

And may a camel with a weak bladder find the jelly bean jars of the men and women who left our men behind.

It really worries me when it looks like our Military and President don't really jive.
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What does "Stand Down" mean. And to say it 3 x's.I know what it means, but somebody please fill me in. Yea screw it, I will go back to sleep, they dont need help.
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Just also goes to show those poor people on the east coast still have not recieved no help. That is sicking to watch.
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Hilary was supposed to testify to congress about Benghazi this week but got out of it due to a concussion. Effectively they are saying "If she is going to testify in front of congress she needs to have her head examined."
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Here is part of a story on the Sandy relief funds being requested.


" A $60.4 billion spending bill washed up in Washington this week aimed at bringing help to communities hardest hit by Superstorm Sandy.

But a closer look at the legislation shows millions of dollars being requested by lawmakers for projects that have little to do with the storm. Some items, like a proposed $2 million roof restoration for the Smithsonian Institution, even pre-date Sandy, causing some to question the finer details of the federal funding package.

“How much is absolutely needed now? That’s all we should really be considering now, the short-term needs,” said Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., who has called the $60 billion request “absurdly high.”

While most of the money -- $47.4 billion – would immediately go to help Sandy victims and rebuilding efforts, the pet projects around the edges could cause consternation.

Tucked in the bill is a $41 million request for repairs at eight military bases, including Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Customs and Border Protection has asked for $2.4 million to replace "destroyed or damaged vehicles, including mobile X-Ray machines." The bill includes a $4 million repair job at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

An additional $13 billion has also been added in to protect against future storms, a cost some Republican lawmakers say isn’t emergency-related and should be scaled back.

Other sweeteners include $150 million for fisheries in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, and $125 million for a Department of Agriculture program that would help Colorado cope with summer wildfires."




Never let a good crisis go to waste. How can the sleaze we elect think it is Ok to piggyback their pet projects onto the needs of disaster victims. They just cannot resist any opportunity to spend our money.


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A simple proposal would be a 1% cut in every budget across the board in every department, salary etc in US gov for every 1% tax increase across the board. Followed by a realistcic cap on deficit spending. Make the government work off the 1% savings and use the 1% taxes to pay down the deficit. No borrowing. If we can't afford it, we just don't do it.
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I am sick of worrying about our national debt, and annual budget deficits, and all other crazy government spending and regulations. I have decided to adopt "Herb Stein's Law".... "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop".

Herb Stein was an economist, and father of Ben Stein (actor, and econmist).

And, according to wikipedia, what he meant is that if a trend (balance of payments deficits in his example) cannot go on forever, there is no need for action or a program to make it stop, much less to make it stop immediately; it will stop of its own accord. It is often rephrased as: "Trends that can't continue, won't."

The way I see it, we can talk ourselves blue in the face about the virtues of conservatism, only to pi&& people off, and never convince them of anything. Ultimately, I think the markets will tell us that we have become Greece or Spain, and will no longer lend us money. Not sure when this will happen, but, at the rate things are going, I doubt it will be long.    

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