You didn build that !

Dave....all we can hope is that we get politcians that understand the mess we are in, and really want to do something about it. Our currect leadership doesn't seem to want to stop it. But, Herb's Law should kick in at some point....very soon I hope.

Lee....Did you hear that 17 Democrat senators are requesting a "postpoment" on the Obamacare medical device tax, with the two senators from Minnesota leading the pack. Guess what? Minnesota is a major home of medical device manufacturers, and their lobbying group put pressure on the senators because it will "hurt" the industry.

Now they tell us

OverMyHead wrote: Obama Gave a speech in Newtown CT yesterday. Saying "These tragedies have to end.", "Surely, we can do better than this" (Not really and stop calling me Shirley) and "We must change." (Deja vu?). So, you know, thank goodness we are done with mass killings. Obama must believe he has the ear of the nut jobs. He does not like the title food stamp president, how about the "nut job" president?

Really? Your going to politicize this, today? Something a president says to a community that just lost two classes of first graders?

Poor form

he is the one person that the whole country expects to say something comforting.   although there may be no words to possibly comfort these victims . the words he chose could have been more about the survivors feelings and sadness and not about how he is going to make it better for everyone in the future .. I dont think "poor form"   I think he should be held to a higher accountability in his choice of words

He can shame people like you into electing people willing to agree that sometimes it is in all of our best interests as a society to provide mental health programs, funding for school security, school psycholgists, adequate first responder resources, mental care, institutions, etc.   You know all the stuff that we keep saying we should indiscriminately cut across the board to prevent the tax rates from going back to what they were under Reagan.

We do need to do better and admitting so is just human. That's why his favorability rating will jump 10 points after that speach, that is what bothers conservatives about it.

Before the blood stops running we are subjected to a million cries of how this isn’t a gun problem.. before 90 percent of the country considers anything beyond what it would be like to lose someone close to us in such a manner the NRA money machine is running to crush rational conversation before it even gets started… newsflash to the other 10 percent it’s not about you or guns or an amendment that was written when the idea of a six shooter was science fiction.   

My thoughts and prayers today go out to family of the school psychologist who was one year away from retiring to her house directly across the lake from my camp, and the couple dozen of my former campers from Newtown that are just about the right age now to have young children. I saw the speech, I hope it brought some of them some comfort to know that the entire nation feels their pain and mourns with them…

I was impressed that Obama made reference to God and Jesus in his speech last night.

We have had guns for many years with only an occasional "nut case" in the past. Now we see some kind of multiple shooting almost monthly.

Guns have not changed, but society has. Our tolerance for each other has been pretty much lost (some of the posts in this topic show that).

Question is, What are the reasons for the change?

Even IF they banned all gun sales tomorrow, there are still plenty of guns out there and these horrible shootings would probably continue. Even IF they confsicated all guns tomorrow, the bad guys would manage to get them, and these shootings would continue, god forbid!

The guns are just the sympton. What about banning and confiscating the video war games that de-sensitize people to mass killings. What about banning and confiscating any movie that has shooting in it? How are we going to control people that have mental illness that typically do these shootings?

The shootings are horrible, and despicable and my heart breaks for the victims and their families! However, I do think the left is politicizing this tragedy to further their desire to ban guns. What is the old saying...."Never let a crisis go to waste"??

Forgot to add....We should also ban and confiscate booze, and put prohibition back into effect. Drunken driving accidents kill ~15,000 people in the USA each year. Where is the outrage about drunken driving deaths?

As for the fiscal cliff: Republicans are playing right into Obama's hands. They won't reach agreement? fine, let's just go over "the cliff" and then the American people will know exactly who raised taxes on the middle class: The Republicans!

GlassSeeker wrote: As for the fiscal cliff: Republicans are playing right into Obama's hands. They won't reach agreement? fine, let's just go over "the cliff" and then the American people will know exactly who raised taxes on the middle class: The Republicans!

Going over the cliff is exactly what this country needs in the long run, as sad as it is to say. Taxes need to be raised AND spending needs to be cut. That's the only way the math works to cut the deficit. We can't continue spending ourselves into recovery. Obama has already tried that twice with his failed stimulus efforts. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better so better buckle up and put your crash helmet on.

bhectus wrote: GlassSeeker wrote: As for the fiscal cliff: Republicans are playing right into Obama's hands. They won't reach agreement? fine, let's just go over "the cliff" and then the American people will know exactly who raised taxes on the middle class: The Republicans! Going over the cliff is exactly what this country needs in the long run, as sad as it is to say. Taxes need to be raised AND spending needs to be cut. That's the only way the math works to cut the deficit. We can't continue spending ourselves into recovery. Obama has already tried that twice with his failed stimulus efforts. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better so better buckle up and put your crash helmet on.

Not bad, I like part of your idea. How about we don't raise tax rates, as I think we pay too much now, and it would probably hurt the economy. How about expanding the tax base to include the ~50% of the population that currently don't pay Federal Income Taxes. Everybody should have skin in the game.

And, whatever tax revenue we get, that's all we spend!! No more borrowing 40 cents on every dollar we spend from China. We have got to get the spending down. Even to the draconian levels of 2002.

Do you want to pay more taxes? Honestly? I sure as heck don't. I would rather take what I would have given to Uncle Sam, and buy a new boat, or car, and put somebody to work so they can then start paying taxes. In turn, that person may go out and buy a new refrigerator, putting somebody else to work, and that person would start paying taxes............!!

Just heard a fun fact on a business news show.

For the month of November, the government took in $5 billion in revenue, but, spent $11 billion. I don't know. Doesn't seem sustainable to me, but, I guess it will go on until it can't go on.

I personally think Obama wants to go over the cliff.Speaker Bohenor has compremised on tax hikes but can not get spending cuts he wants.If taxes go up,Hello unemployment rate over 10% again.More jobs lost from following pitty ful polocies.

As I heard Boehner put it this evening in an analogy, he saved 99 people from drowning, but feels bad he couldn't save all 100. But, he wasn't going to let everybody drown if he couldn't save all them. Makes sense, and the republicans had to do what they had to do.   

The democrats are addicted to spending, and could care less about the deficeit and debt. Anything Obama says about deficeit reduction is merely lip service. He is totally unserious about solving the problem. But, we have the debt spending ceiling coming up. I think that will be a battle royale to try and get Obama to stop all his crazy spending. Hopefully the republicans will gain a bit more testicular fortitude for that one.

The interest alone on the debt we have already accrued is going to be impossible to overcome. We are all screwed. Happy new year.

Get ready boys and girls the next few months.It gonna get nasty.