You didn build that !

I had to revisit this post. As I said back in January I invested in those terrible companies that all went broke under O'bama. This post in January is more true today than ever.
How are these companies of the future doing now? Just check if you haven't been following the business news. Too bad we didn't support Solyndra a bit longer. They went out of business and now we are forced to buy our solar panels from China for the booming solar business.
O'bama, a visionary. How's your oil stock doin on that "drill baby drill" platform?

john b wrote: skicat2001 wrote: Obama's 90 billion dollars on green energy is one example. AND THEY ALL WENT BANKRUPT.    This is the kind of bankrupt everyone wants! The Department of Energy invested $465,000,000 in Tesla in October 2011. At that time it would have bought 18,637,274 shares, since stock was trading at $24.96 Today that stock is worth $689,579,138 Department of Energy profit of $224,579,138. Solar City, another company the Department of Energy invested in with a loan of $275,000,000, went public in December 2012 at $11.00 Two months later the stock closed at $15.63, up 42% in 60 days, I'll take that. Department of Energy profit = $115,000,000. There are others as well, but these are the only ones I have positions in. There is always a great deal of risk in small cap new technology, but the rewards can be great as well. Everyone picks a big loser sometimes, and you don't have to pick more winners than losers either, just have a big winner come along once in a while. The risk was especially high with some of these given the time frame the purchase was made, with an election just on the horizon.. As a wise man on this site once said, "Do what you always do, get what you always got". Few people were ever exceptionally successful relying on an old business model. You have to think of the next thing.

Good morning Dave!
Just wanted to give you a morning eye opener / chuckle. Fact is, few care. It has the odor of desperation. Diplomatic missions are dangerous in unfriendly countries. Unless we concentrate on more pressing issues nothing will continue to get done. Dodo happens. Nixon, lets not even go back to that Republican administration.
The face of the USA continues to evolve and the GOP is swiftly becoming the party of desperation and irrelevance. Lets hope they don't throw another retread out there in 14.
When is it going to warm up? Snowed yesterday in Manitowish Waters WI, but the ice came out Saturday. I hope it's better by you. I hope I don't have to break out the Northface gear and crampons for GL.

Don't click if you can't take the nausea?
Oops, I already clicked and it led me to this thread. You're right, it is nauseating and it should have died long ago.
Who is this Ben Gausie guy. Is he a Correct Craft Fan? Maybe he's a friend of that irrelevant Mitt guy that no one cares about either.

OverMyHead wrote: Benghazi is back with whistle blowers, if only it had gotten out before the election!

I think I saw movement from inside the body bag they shoved Benghazi in over the weekend; and not on Fox. It was "Face the Nation" I think.

I think it'll stay quiet or blow sky high. I don't think we'll see anything in-between.

Green energy
TSLA
FSLR
SCTY
They all went broke?
I guess in being up between 75% a d 95% in 5 months is broke.
Those government investments are looking wiser all the time.

Henry Kissinger and a few others from the past attended but not as part of a official delegation. I don't know where W was. Even though we routinely send VP's or at least secretary of state to funerals of lesser nations, our leaders were all to busy to make it to this one. Obama did send an official delegation to the funeral of Hugo Chaves. Just when I think I can not be more ashamed or embarrassed by this administration they up the anti.

Thatcher......In my view the best Prime Minster we have had since Churchill.....she came into office in 79 after a Labour Gov had brought to our knee’s and we where the Greece of Europe....much of our problems then were the Gov run industries Steel/Coal/Gas/Water/Car Building all with Union only workers that would strike to force their point of view on the Gov....Labour or Conservative, all of these industries were run badly and needed Gov support to run and gave very poor service to the customer.....how many of you would buy one of our BL cars...you were lucky and had the high end stuff we had some real shockers.
So She took on the Union head on sold off utilities that all could buy shares in and closed the ones that did not pay, cut welfare, put up taxes and interest rates, by the time of the next election we were out of recession and been to war.......She was re-elected taxes came down employment went up along with our standing in the world......by the time of the next election we had paid off all our W11 debts and had a balanced Gov budget......She was re-elected.....and stayed in power for a total of 11 ½ year’s.
Yes she did have faults as we all do and did make a few big mistakes but on balance she was right allot more....what She had was vision and stuck to it.....not as now this flip flop politics run on polls.....
Yes there are some that feel left out and abandoned by her......but most got it, work = a better life even if that meant moving to were work was.
She gave herself to our Country as she believed in it.....its right we give her a State funeral (even though it’s not being called that) its one below they say.
All of what she changed is still here today with some add-ons from later Governments.....had lots of people trying to pull her down linking her with the banking crash but I don’t agree that was plain old greed.
We have had a few young people that think it’s a way to get there 15 minutes of fame off her death....but that’s the world we live in now.
I have worked though all the above to this day and would I have it back as it was in 79......NO WAY.
Shame we had no high ranking US Gov person at the funeral ...but we had some of your past statesmen.....but we did have a 19 year old from the US ..........Thatcher’s granddaughter Amanda ....... great speaker enjoy...... Reading

Oh, and our NHS was founded by a Labour Gov back in 1948.

Stepping into the fray.....


Better think about what you are saying with Thatcher. Can I assume you have her beliefs, like these?

1. She believed in climate change.
2. She believed in gun control.
3. She increased taxes.
4. Supported "socialized" healthcare.

Just take a moment and research her on these topics and get back to us with your thoughts, and not the crap you spew from FOX and their tools.
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Dang. Think on your own.   



What did she do for England, beside throwing them into recession?

OverMyHead wrote: Dave, I almost did not post about this for that very reason. I am not a shill for anyone. .

How about there being innocent children still lying in hospitals dying as a reason...

davidg wrote: Dave....that very issue has been discussed heavily on my Favorite News Channel

Dave, I almost did not post about this for that very reason. I am not a shill for anyone. I (apparently like many others) was taken back to the Benghazi speech the second I heard the word justice. I find his use of the word justice interesting because justice in this administration has proven not to be blind, it is in the eye of the beholder. (It's interesting that "Holder" is in beholder). So if the person speaking of justice believes a radical cause is "just", then doing nothing is "justice". "Just" a thought.

Speaking of the eye of the beholder. I cannot believe that Obama at least Biden will not attend Thatchers funeral. England is our historic strongest ally, and Thacher on of its all time most influential leaders. quite a "dis" based on ideology.

Dave....that very issue has been discussed heavily on my Favorite News Channel

john b wrote: OverMyHead wrote: JoeinNY wrote: OverMyHead wrote: That 1931 rate would be fine with me! Ahh yes the good old days of the Great Depression .... I said I liked the RATE! John seems to think anything historical is good. We have that in common, Dave. We never would have met if not for these historical CCs.

Very true, and yet none of us seems to be collecting t-18's



Historical yes, but a good idea????????

john b wrote: The only citizens pushed into a corner with the sequestration are those who will be layed off. none of the politicians are affected by this. The Budget Control Act of 2011 (sequestration) was supported by both sides of the isle, but far more Republicans than Democrats voted in favor. House vote; "Passed with amendment by recorded vote" Vote by party     Yea     Nay     NV     Total Democrats          95       95       3       193 Republicans        174     66       0       240 Senate vote; "Agreed in the House amendment to the bill by Yea-Nay Vote" Vote by party     Yea     Nay     NV     Total Democrats          45        6        0     51 Republicans        28       19       0     47 Independents      1        1        0     2 It is not a party line issue, it is a "I really don't care about my country or those who elected me" issue. Naturally the posturing and finger pointing has now begun.

!. It was barracks idea, and he signed it into law. Now he says it is stupid.
2. Republicans in the house passed two alternative bills to ease the impact. Dems in the senate took no action on the republican bills and failed to pass any of their own.

3. The sequester only cuts the increase in spending, the federal budget is bigger this year than last. Why is it we can no longer pay for what we paid for last year with a bigger budget than we had last year? Almost seems like the cuts are being made by a spoiled child who wants them to look as bad as possible so no one ever tries to do it again, almost.......

The only citizens pushed into a corner with the sequestration are those who will be layed off. none of the politicians are affected by this.

The Budget Control Act of 2011 (sequestration) was supported by both sides of the isle, but far more Republicans than Democrats voted in favor.

House vote;
"Passed with amendment by recorded vote"
Vote by party     Yea     Nay     NV     Total
Democrats          95       95       3       193
Republicans        174     66       0       240

Senate vote;
"Agreed in the House amendment to the bill by Yea-Nay Vote"
Vote by party     Yea     Nay     NV     Total
Democrats          45        6        0     51
Republicans        28       19       0     47
Independents      1        1        0     2

It is not a party line issue, it is a "I really don't care about my country or those who elected me" issue. Naturally the posturing and finger pointing has now begun.

I came across a thought provoking interview today. One snippet is shared below. You can find more if you follow the link.

"For top earners, we need more research, but I have yet to see a study that shows me that when you increase top tax rates, top earners work less. An interesting study that was done by Robert Moffitt and Mark Wilhelm using the tax overhaul of 1986—Reagan’s big second tax reform. The study showed that when Reagan cut the top tax rate, pre-tax top income surged, but the authors looked at the hours of work of those high earners and couldn’t see any effect on their reported hours. Of course, it was a small sample, but I hope that in the future, researchers can look at margins like retirement—do highly paid executives retire earlier now that Obama has raised their tax rates? That’s exactly the type of study we need. And of course I would revise my views if you showed me convincingly that those top guys are indeed working a lot less."

Taxing Away Inequality
A Conversation with Emmanuel Saez