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tbeard
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Thanks to Andy for instruction on how to post the video.
I am learning front 1 foot wake slalom and the progress is slow. Any suggestions would be great. Thx.....Tom |
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LakeBoy
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Hey Tom: Thanks for the post. Looked cold and dreary out there when you skied. Your skiing looks real good, so I don't think you have far to go to "get there." I learned my wakes principally from Dave Small, with Andy and Willie chiming in. First I will tell you how I learned, and then give you a pointer or two:
1. Get on the shoe skis first (WBC type, or equal). Practice slow, methodical wakes, back and forth, with emphasis on SLOW. I mean slow cuts. I practice at 36 MPH with shoes. Force yourself to really bend the knees since it is so tempting to ski high on shoes. Do this til your thighs burn, especially the reverse foot which for me always lacks strength. Keep the rope low and focus on the pull coming from the hand that is opposite the foot that is on the water. (left foot, right hand pull) Also focus on smooth transition from foot to foot, like a dance. 2. On your barefeet get your one foots DIALED in. Do this: get on one side of wake do both basic and reverse one foots; ski to other side of wake, both onr foots. Focus on fast yet proper technique. 3. Now, lets get down to business: get on one side of wake, at least a few feet out, lift your one foot, now "steer" it across the wake; on other side of wake, lift your one foot, and "steer" it across the wake. Over time you can build on this, quickening the transition time from one foot to the next. The key is to make both side (basic and reverse) equally strong and smooth. Dont' fall into the trap of a "good" and "bad" side. Ok, that should give you a lot to work on. Here are a few comments on the video: Slow down your cuts and focus on getting both sides equally sound. When you lift your foot, it appears you are straightening your knee to lift the foot. You need to lift the thigh, and keep the same angle at the knee and bend at the hip. I am not sure how it works, but the legs are connected. Crazy movements in the lifted foot, create crazy movements in the ski foot, especially the foot angle at the ankle. Post again; good luck! |
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Tom, thanks for posting, now we can all learn from your video. Great work!
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Good pointers so far, some other drills you can do is cut away from the wake on one foot, which gives you the feeling of cutting with your foot non directly underneath you without the wake to contend with. It also looks like you are picking your foot up without a full weight transfer. This can get you in trouble down the road. When you are doing your (2 to 1's) practice cutting through the wake with 90% of your weight on your outside foot. So that when you go to lift your foot. The weight is already transferred. Definitely a good start, good luck!
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tbeard
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Thanks Guys...Yes it was drizzling light rain and overcast. I actually like to ski days like that because there is not another boat in sight. We skied Friday and Saturday. Bottom of my feet are sore! 6 long sets in total. Things I am working on besides front wakes are
Back Toe holds behind boat (did one Saturday and it was more like being drug vs skiing it:) I rode it for about 8 seconds and lost the handle. My toe-ups are solid on boom so want to transition to LL. Front toes LL are fine. Point I am making.....is it takes alot of energy to practice different tricks so it is hard to improve one thing fast. I am in decent shape ...but after those front wake runs I am huffin and puffin :) Roy, I have the BFC shoes that I can wear. Yes my right to left cross is solid with no concerns of falling and feel like my edging/cutting /speed is good. My reverse is weak going from left to right. So I bet training with shoes will balance that out. Ryan I like that idea. There is alot to think about and contend with the wake also. Will practice that as well. |
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In addition to all the other good advise:
Your feet will get "broke in" Time On The Water...that's all you need. Get out and barefoot exactly like you are doing in the video AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. The shoe skis will help your reverse try them at about 36-38 just to get body position figured out for 1 foot reverse crossings...then go on feet right after. Wakes soak up energy like crazy, remind yourself to breathe while you ski...this is harder than it sounds...you may be holding your breath more than you think. I liked your start- no worries about getting outside, just let feet slide til speed comes on and stand up right in the wake and ski out.(Exactly how Willie does it) When you go out have a plan of what things you want to work on, it might change depending on how smooth the water is. We joke around impersonating Willie--Whatcha goin do out there? What's your plan? Whatcha workin on? Bottom line: we need more videos Tom, then we can start to tweak the finer points. |
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Tom, water still cold up there? Surprisingly we are having springtime weather, we can ski with the wet suit and a heater shirt below...
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Tom, water still cold up there? Surprisingly we are having springtime weather, we can ski with the wet suit and a heater shirt below...
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Hey Tom,
Sounds like you have a lot on your plate. Once you progress past the basics, the higher end tricks are a lot more athletic. The toe up long line is an ab abuser unless you can get your foot to your butt. So the days you are working wakes you might want to work on less strenuous tricks. That said i had a friend that skied on canals that would do 30 crosses forwards, 30 backwards, then do both front and back toes on both sides of the wake plus anything else all in one "pass". That was stamina lol. As for the back toe feeling like you are being tugged versus skimming. plain and simple, you are gas pedaling the skiing foot. You need to keep your foot as flat as possible. Gas pedaling leads to wicked neck slaps. One cause could be when on the shoes its hard to feel the water and you don't realize you are gas pedaling while you are getting in the strap. the larger surface area can make up for it. Take a set on the shoes, and do some toes with a flat foot and then gas pedal a bit. You will feel the difference and then when you take it to your feet, it will be easy clean up. Keep up the good work! |
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Sebastian the water is not cold....just cool. But overcast days I try to stay warm so I wear the drysuit with just shorts and flanel under it.
Ryan you are right...I get into a defensive posture and lean away. It is a hard habit to break. Been working on pulling handle into small of my back and skiing "taller". I will try your suggestion. |
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add arch to your back.
totally expected that right now you are skiing dirty get some ski time in and comfort level up...then kick it up a notch |
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Andy makes a very good point about having a plan. Matter of fact last summer I skied with B.Paige a few days and he said the same thing. I dismissed it thinking it was only for the pros. Mabey we could discuss/share ideas of what plans you guys work to. Even if not the same tricks but the concept. Practice the harder tricks first or do not repeate the tricks you know every outing! Save your energy for something new. Here is my routine.
First set: 1. Warm up run on boom-5 foot rope doing basic and reverse 1 foot and front toe (basic and reverse) and may sit down and toe up at end. 2. Back run with basic and reverse 1 foots. 3. Back run with basic and reverse back toes. 4. May do a run of tumbel turns also. Second set: 1. Long Line 1 foots and basic/reverse toe holds. 2. Front wake slalom (working on 1 foot crosses. 3. Another wake slalom run 4. LL Back deep up basic/reverse 1 foots (mabey some wake crosses) Last set: (Kinda mixed bag Throw anything in there) 1. LL back deep up- back ones and a back toe hold 2. May get back on boom and practice toe ups and more toe holds, tumble to 1s....etc. This last set is also dependent on how I feel and energy level. I try to stop before I take any unessary falls. |
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we have hit the 80's, touched on 90's and next week headed toward 100 so we will be doing alot of footing...between the howling wind periods.
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Yes....trying not to take any back falls so I get all defensive and gas pedal. Ryan hit the nail on the head. That is why I skied 2 days this past weekend...just trying to get over the new season jitters. |
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OMG, Sebastian, I am in a full sweat watching your videos. You score a 10 out of 10 when it comes to "who has the balls to go for it!" Because you certainly go for it. When it comes to skiing without trying to get busted up I gotta knock you down a few points. I keep waiting for something to break, pop, tear or sprain or strain. You gotta let go of that handle when you fall. I know you think you can pull it out, and you can, but there will be that one time you don't and pop goes the elbow, the knee, or the shoulder. How about this: Let's see a "progression" of techniques. Get on the boom, tumble up and set your feet. Then tumble turn right, tumble turn left, one foot right, one foot left, toe hold right, toe hold left, snap your killer side slide and call it a set. I think bringing some discipline to what you are doing will focus your effort and keep you safe. OK, call me an old man... because I AM an old man. All that bouncing around will kill your body. I know, because I feel it every morning! |
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Here is the perfect spot to say this:
For me, first and foremost is to have fun! Don't make it a job or too regimented. I've seen people turn barefooting into drudgery. At my ski club we are limited to 15 minutes a set, usually that is 6 passes. I mix it up usually. Maybe front wakes, back wakes, tricks, repeat tricks then a couple boom runs doing tricks again. Something I've noticed is that newer footers want to ski 50/50 weighted all the way down the lake, like they are trying to perfect it. So I've been leaning on them to start favoring one foot(s) because I spend so little time evenly weighted on my feet...it's almost always one or the other has more weight which stops foot burn. My feet never burn. |
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Thank God Seb has a camera!
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tbeard
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Working on my back toe holds this weekend. Normally I am not this shakey and and unbalanced but here it is. Input please. Thx....Tom
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If I ever get to have liquid water in one of our lakes again, this is my focus this year! |
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shoot you don't need no help
pretty plain to see that when you got up, head up, eyes up, that that is a fine back toe...now just do a bunch. I would say it might help if you think of scissoring your legs(squeeze the cup) to get skifoot directly under you and rope foot/rope directly over the skifoot---so the skifoot and rope are in line. This really helps front toeholds too. |
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Tom: No expert here, but some dry-land bractice might help you find the strap better. Plus try to "sink" your foot into the strap. Looks like you are hanging on by your "toes" LOL...nice work, though!
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My comment didn't post last night, but I echo the sentiments, of your practice one foots aren't going straight to the rope. You are lifting to the side and very rushed. Take it slow and controlled, as if you were going into the strap. In addition, you are tugging on the handle with both arms quite a bit as you are reaching for the strap. You have a bent arm style like Keith, but you aren't skiing relaxed as he does. You have the "pull" coming from the opposite arm as the ski foot, but you shouldn't be tugging and letting go. That will help you feel more controlled and not a frenetic approach.
It shouldn't be a toe hold until you are in the strap (as lake boy said, scooping your foot in). Think of it as a back one, that you are lifting higher and farther away.. slow and controlled. The same as getting out of the strap. On the first one, you grab with the same hand as your ski foot instead of the opposite. It throws your balance off. the second one you grabbed opposite and it was smoother. YOu are also diving away and breaking at the waist, thus also gas pedaling as you leave the strap. This can cause you to almost skip or "load the line" as you leave.. putting you in a precarious position. (been there done that haha) Remember, it is just a one foot again as you leave the strap. don't rush out and jam your foot to the water, break at the hips and it will be smoother. Some exercises would be toe touches, and on the shoes, opening up at the hip, turning your toes 90 degrees to the water, heard to track straight, but you will have a short leash on the short line, so you won't get into too much trouble until you learn to track. This will make you more stable on a std. back toe on your feet! Good Luck. Keep up the good work |
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Thanks guys.....Trying to summarize
Just a note: I ski with handle pulled into back with bent arms 1. Bring feet closer together to keep rope, ski foot and handle in line. 2. Deeper foot bite in strap 3. 1 foot to be lifted toward rope....not out like a dog on a fire hydrant :) 4. This is where I lose you Ryan...Arms pulling on one side of handle or the other? 5. Diving away to recover handle. For some reason I have a hard time reaching the handle while in toe hold. So I dive away to get my hands on it. Something I need to figure out so I can make a smooth transition. |
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Basically haha.. yeah, review the video before you get your foot in the strap, you are pulling on the handle and releasing multiple times with each hand. Relax and let the pull come from the opposite hand as the ski foot. You will have a tighter grip with that hand, feeling the pull of the boat (like a one foot-one hand) with the opposite hand, but you aren't (pulling in and relasing) just staying steady with the handle. Then when you are reaching for the handle, reach with the opposite hand as ski foot, that will help you stay over your foot and track straight on the long line. You will do an oblique crunch as you reach for the handle. as suggested earlier, dry landing will help, especially if you get some stiff bungies to simulate the pull from the boat. Mix in shoe work, especially as stamina leaves, and you will get it dialed in with less falls hopefully.
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Another thing, are you using a "trained" toe strap. Where it only can be used one side down? Those straps are usually thicker or taller, meaning that it is easy to fold it over as you put your foot in, then it straighten out and slide down your foot. I prefer the classic even strap that is much narrower and you never have that issue. Personal preference I guess.
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Could we get you to ski with your arms let out a bit more?
When you get loaded into the toehold with just your bigtoe hanging on it will tend to straighten your leg out which pulls the handle away from where your hands want to find it. Don't let the leg get stretched out at all hold it solid. (Dryland will get you used to finding the strap fast and smooth) If you are up high and gliding the backtoe the handle is easy to recover...as long as you don't get stretched out. |
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I find doing backtoes on dryland harder than doing them longline LOL
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Ryan....The handle is a std BI handle.
Dry practice it is..... For the hands and handle I got it......Use opposite hand vs. ski foot to recover handle. The goal is to ski tall so things I think about is pulling handle down and toward me with toe hold leg. Also bend the knee more of the ski leg and do not gas pedal. |
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maybe we posted this before but it applies here so...here is Roy's first backtoehold. It's pretty darn good. Notice the arms are long. I think that when you pull it up your back you are creating more instability.
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damn clean. yeah!
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