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Ok, so i'm heading up to the lake 6 days from now, so I'm quickly gathering all the stuff I need.

Peter I'm here to rack your brain again on this, or gary or bri or whoever, I never got this fuel gauge installed.

I'm at a loss on a couple things that I don't think are hard just someone with past experience I'm sure can easily answer.

Not to go to far off subject, but i need 3 things.

1. Wire that is boat safe? USCG APPROVED???
2. Water proof heat shrink connecters Peter mentioned, i just want to make sure I get the right stuff.
3. Boat safe Fuel line?
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Hern marine will have the fuel line in stock, as well as the wire( In bulk, buy what you need)really any stranded copper will work, but if you want the tinned copper they have it, and adhesive lined butt connectors.
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I can say categorically that ALL CC boats since approximately 1967 have come from the factory with a fuel gauge and the necessary wiring. The marine tank senders were 240 ohm at the full-of-fuel position until we went to all this digital mumbo-jumbo, which I know nothing about. Bits and bytes scare me to death, but DC circuits all obey E = IR.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-17-2013 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by ArtCozier ArtCozier wrote:

I can say categorically that ALL CC boats since approximately 1967 have come from the factory with a fuel gauge and the necessary wiring.

Im sure you meant that as a pretty rough approximation, Art, as I own a few early 70's Skiers (and know of several others) that still just have the mechanical gauge mounted to the tank and the glass sight holes in the deck to view them.    Maybe closer to '73 or '74 was when they became standard across the whole lineup?

V = I R (pretty sure thats what you meant)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ArtCozier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-17-2013 at 11:06pm
OK, I'll buy that.

In my day, E represented voltage and there was no Hertz except for the car rental guy. Oscillation rate was in "cycles per second." Vacuum tubes did all the heavy lifting, and you had to wait a couple of minutes for the radio to "warm up." Young whippersnappers!!!!!
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Ok i have everything but the ground connected, it looks like they used a red wire to grounf the dash, but that doesn't seem to make any sense. Can anyone with a 69-70 boat confirm for ne?
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TP,
Get the VOM out and confirm the ground. Yes, some off color wires have been found but you will not be able to confirm the ground unless you do some testing.


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Originally posted by turningpoint84 turningpoint84 wrote:

Ok i have everything but the ground connected, it looks like they used a red wire to grounf the dash, but that doesn't seem to make any sense. Can anyone with a 69-70 boat confirm for ne?


The red (pink really) is probably the fuel gauge sender wire. Especially if it's going to the dash. My setup looks like this. Newer boat, but I would think the principle is the same. The red/pink is the sender. The black is the ground to the engine, which is tied to the green, which I think is the ground for the stern light.

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TP,
Get the VOM out and confirm the ground. Yes, some off color wires have been found but you will not be able to confirm the ground unless you do some testing.


My dumbass left my VOM in cincinnati, I might ask my friend if i can borrow his.

I actually realized I made a mistake, these Damn 1st gen teleflex guages for these mustangs are horribly marked, they're just stamped randomly.

So i followed the wires to the engine block. It looks like the red wire is the ignition wire, the white wire is to the engine block, well not quite the engine block, but it's attached to a metal bracket, then the metal bracket is attached to the start mount, which is solid metal. thne this is attached to the motor block, so there is nothing insulating the wire to the engine block. So I assume it's safe to assume this is the ground?

There is also a pretty thick black wire, but it looks to be going to a wired panel back by the engine block.

I'll take some pictures, but Peter you're correct a VOM is much needed!!

Bri, I think I have the gas tank end all figured out, i wired in a new 14ga wire to the engine block for the ground, then there was an unused yellow 18ga wire that i used as the sender to the dash. There actually still another unused wire chilling in the back of the boat that's white. I'm thinking that might be another ground. I noticed they wired all the grounds in white, which is really strange to me, i figured those to be black.
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Here is what i finally did.
At the gauge:
The sender is going to the fuel tank sender
The ign is going to a purple ignition wire off the back of the oil temp gauge.
the light is on the blue light so that should be fine.
the only area im not sure i thw ground, i have it wired to another gauge labeled ground, but it daisy chains to a big white wire leaving to the back of the boat. Im going to attach oictures here in a few.
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TP,
The ground connection on the gauge itself is only for the illumination. Typically on the Teleflex plastic case, this will be a copper foil strip going to the gauge bracket.


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So i should have the ground wired correctly if the light turns on? Because it turns on so that's good haha.

The fuel gauge won't read though, so i'm going to just run an entirely new sender wire.

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Originally posted by turningpoint84 turningpoint84 wrote:



The fuel gauge won't read though, so i'm going to just run an entirely new sender wire.


TP,
Before you go running a new sender wire, how about doing some testing? There are too many "parts changers" out there. Ohm out the sender as well as the sender wire. I see you replaced the fuel tank. Did you check the sender with the VOM? Have you grounded the sender wire at the tank to see if the gauge pegs?


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I am also having fuel gauge issues, so reading this thread is extremely helpful. One question though, what does VOM mean? Voltage Meter?
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Yes, 'Volt Ohm Meter' also referred to as a Multi Meter. Get a basic digital one, usually costs about $15. They are very useful.
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Harbor freight has free ones with a coupon, or $5 with out,

i'll look around and see if i can find one, this might have to be a project for August.
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