learning to barefoot

footinforever11 wrote: Back to the cup vs no cup conversation. A friend and I last night, messing around so that we can have a 4 man back foot line in next years show. Very easy on the stomach and groin :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q5ctfgwffY&feature=youtu.be

Nice clean turns and step-offs. Kick it up a notch now.

kapla wrote: so using a double stack pylon or a SFH, will definetely help on the LLBD rigth?

No.

Love those back steps, quite the hop passenger side guy has.

Just like too high of a boom. Arms come up off your butt, get loose, and all around loss of control ensues. There is such a thing as too high of a pull when learning. Your mileage may vary but I've seen it happen.

I do use a high pole to teach, just not a "super" high pole/pull.

Hollywood wrote: Arms come up off your butt, get loose, and all around loss of control ensues.

If you can keep your arms down great, but that's just one more thing to think about and do. It also starts pulling you off the water to the point where you can't keep enough weight on your own feet and you get stuck chicken winged skimming along on your big toes. Seen it and done it myself.

I just think there's a sweet spot and a crazy high boom and super fly is above it. I also don't like the idea of being spoiled with such high pull points. Keep in mind I'm talking about the learning stage.

LakeBoy wrote: BTW, bouncing is not a function of the pull height.

Sure it is. Technique first but you cannot ignore the [upwards] force. I realize I'm being technical but it is simply undeniable.

Once you learn to go with the pull instead of against its obviously easier. Sounds like Andy is coming around to the 17.4%

I'm not talking about the driving Steve.

Hollywood wrote: I'm not talking about the driving Steve.

Exactly, I have been blessed with excellent driving (Kevin and my neighbor)for all my LLBD attempts. Am I just incredibly lucky that I have always had good form (I doubt it), I can only think of two occasions where I have had bounce and both times, my drivers immediately took responsibility. So I question the action-reaction theory on Backs. Fronts Deeps I completely agree, bounce starts if you get too far on your back.

I can make no comment on the SFH for LLBD's because I have never had the opportunity to try. Nor have I ever tried off the standard pull point, so I have no reference for that either.

Okay just going to put this all out of my head and going to continue to concentrate on the patience part of it all...

Not too long ago it was thought that you could not learn a back deep before you knew how to ski backwards but today it is the norm to learn to ski backwards by doing a BD

LakeBoy wrote: Bouncing is caused by not rolling your shoulders down and staying stiff in the middle..

What I'm trying to say is too high of a pull can get you out of position. You guys are all missing my point.

Didn't we go all through this once before....

Win? No.

JoeinNY wrote: Anyone who would attempt to ski backwards on thier barefeet must have gotten slipped some crazy pills somewhere along the way, .

Now that right there is a point you can't arge, HA!

Nope I did ride my wood cg trick skis and after falling on my face a few times I pulled off some 180s and 360s. I dont like to have to go back and pick up a ski so I prefer footing without skis...have them mainly for decorations.