You didn build that !

is it true that 70% of canadians have supplemental health care? i have been told it is true but cant seem to confirm it

As of 2012 aprox. 30 percent of all Canadian health spending was private pay. As John said mostly dentistry, eye care, and prescriptions.

davidg wrote: Interesting that "The Marketplace" has had to shutdown for some fixes already. Not too many people got through in week 1. They have had three years to prepare for this. This thing appears to be a disaster already. Based on reports on the news, premiums, on average, are WAY up, and deductibles are sky high ($5K-$6K). Not exactly affordable, and not exactly good policies for most.   Interesting the govt isn't releasing any data on how many people actually bought AFFORDABLE health insurance. Maybe week 2 will go more smoothly!?!? I am sure it will. They are fixing the computers this weekend. It makes me wonder that if premiums and deductibles are too high, if young healthy people will just self insure, and pay the fine.

Pretty sad.

Why is NOAA shut down, http://governmentshutdown.noaa.gov/

But this site still up?
http://www.letsmove.gov/

I heard a good quote the other day. I don't know who said it, but, it went something like...."If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free".

Yeah anyone who thinks that 70% of this country feels the same way about anything is pretty darn gullible. Anyone who thinks that that 70% of the country is in favor of repealing something that they just overwhelmingly voted to affirm in the very last election that we had is more than gullible. Last I checked democrats got more votes in the House of Representatives last election than republicans did… I don’t know how that equates to the far right of the republican party representing 70% of the country.. maybe 70% of the billionaires who make their money off of fossil fuels, but certainly not 70% of the country. That doesn’t mean the majority is right necessarily but when you claim to have a majority and you don’t then my guess is you have no real case or logic… so lies are all that are left.

Free healthcare has proven to be less expensive per person, per capita, per household, per country, per procedure, per outcome, per however you want to measure it in every country it has been adopted than the private health care we have had here in the US... sadly we won’t be getting “free healthcare” we are getting health care with some consumer protections and some income based subsidies, and make no mistake we are getting it. Canada spends per person $4205 per year on average for all health care spending, in the good old US it is $7910, that includes all your supplemental yadda yadda yadda..

It is apparent to any thinking person why the nut jobs were willing to do anything to prevent it for even another year.., they all promised it would be the end of the world. It won’t in fact be the end of the world and therefore to anyone who doesn’t have their head completely up the kiester of the right wing noise machine the nut jobs will have in fact proven themselves to be money/power hungry nutjobs who are either clueless or willing to say anything to be elected.   That is why propaganda and lies are not a great long term strategy when it comes to running a democracy… but it sure does get a lot of guys rich for a while.

I must admit I may have been wrong about Obama in light of this story. It was not widely reported on but Fox News was able to break the story.
Obama revelation

Obamacare Will Increase Health Spending By $7,450 For A Typical Family of Four [Updated">

Gee I Didn't see that coming.....Oh wait I did! Thanks a lot democrats.


Remember when Obama said he was going to cut our deficit in half...Ahhhh good times.

JoeinNY wrote: Free healthcare has proven to be less expensive per person, per capita, per household, per country, per procedure, per outcome, per however you want to measure it in every country it has been adopted than the private health care we have had here in the US... sadly we won’t be getting “free healthcare”

Joe, Obviously free healthcare would be less expensive per person. Tell me more about this free healthcare, because it sounds like the answer to all our problems. Why are we even debating about single payer systems if there is some magical no payer system? Why did we have to add all the new medical device taxes, and cadillac health plan taxes if there is healthcare out there for FREE? How do I sign up for this? Heck medicare is going broke, lets put all those people on free healthcare and that budget hole is plugged, we can use the savings to bail out social security! Wait, Is there free social security that you know about? Man what I could do with no more FICA taxes. Yahoo!!!!!!

How long can we go on adding 1 trillion per year in additional debt? And what happens if the dollar becomes so weak that it is no longer the world's preferred currency?

Depending on what you get for it you can add a trillion a year for 20 years - of course nobody is planning or projecting that we do that - deficit projections for this year are 640 billionish, then 560, 380, 432.. then they go back towards 600 - 800 in ten year out cycle..

The effect that has on the strength of the dollar is nebulous at best. The effect of the government shutdown and soon to be default on the value of the dollar is a sure thing

The simple fact is if you went back to the tax rates we had under clinton you would be back to paying off the debt run up finacing wars with tax cuts and having to buy our way out of a housing bubble created by loosening of regulations.

Cuts are also required but certainly not the ones being thrown out there that do nothing but transfer costs to the states that we are all feeling in higher property taxes

and none of that has to do with the fact that the nut jobs are going to add trillions to the debt if they cause a default because Rush told them to

__ __ __ __ it, lets go bowling.

The impact of the AHA to my family.

Wife covers us through BCBS (state plan offered through her teaching job).

Premiums went up 10%. Surprisingly the employer is picking up most of the increase (for 2014).

Annual family deductible went from $1500 to $6500 per year.

Just one experience here. I'm sure that there are some that will be positively benefited.

Whether you agree with it or not, this is the new norm and you might as well get used to it. AHA is the law and while I don't agree with most of it, it's here to stay. No amount of political drama is going to take it away at this point.

The most troublesome thing about our political system in my opinion is that it's no longer about what is right and wrong it's about doing the opposite of what the other party wants to do. Much of this fueled by the Limbaugh, Hannity, Madow, Matthews talk shows and of course the Fox and CNN "news" networks.   I fear that the polarization is to the extent that no real progress will be possible in the future.

With regards to the spending, surely it's gotta slow down. I realize you can't compare an individual family income and spending to that of a country, but there can't be indefinite time period of deficit spending whether the spender is a family or a nation, no? How is that possible? Even if it is, why would you want it to be?

A few steves above through in the "free" healthcare terminology and the adults in the room could understand it was tongue in cheek and not waste the time to pretend that they were sooo much smarter than the soo called low information voter. I will take low information voters over those who expose themselves willingly to a steady diet of misinforation and simplistic half truths..

The DMV is a state run entitiy - the ones around here run like a swiss watch, but still the more accurate comparison would be the Medicare administration.   Compare that to the way current health insurance companies work and I can't see why anyone in thier right mind wouldn't rather see a single payer system as it is more efficient and competent in every way. Seriously have you ever dealt with a private insurance company? Plans have been going up double digit percentages the last 15 years now, double or triple billing for the same proceedure is the norm, doctors offices have mulitple employees just to deal with different insurance paperwork. Doctors have to taylor thier treatment plans differently for different people on different insurances. Basically every bad thing that people say would happen with a single payer plan, or now because of the ACA already happens daily with current insurance companies. Only you can't vote out the morons in charge, because for the vast majority of the country it is your employer that chooses your insurance provider and plan. Who by the way often also has to have multiple employees to adminsiter such a plan. From a free market economic standpoint tying health insurance to employment is simply freaking crazy...anything- literally anything- that starts to break up that unholy marriage will make america better and more competitive. Not to mention increase the quality of care.

As for debt and deficit reduction - duh it needs to be done - however failing to raise the debt ceiling or fund the government does nothing but cost billions of dollars in additional debt daily.... it doesn't save money to give people paid vacations. And if we default for even a day it will add trillions to the debt in terms of increased interest rates servicing the debt - not to mention the trillions of dollars in private wealth that will be wiped out, or the trillions of dollars in reduced future revenues due to the economic impact.

That is reality - fail to raise the debt limit and america will be on the hook for trillions more in principle and interest payments. All those additional trillions will come from workers pockets (you and me) and go to investors pockets (the koch brothers and china). That is all there is to talk about here - do you want to owe them more money and at a higher rate just so you can pretend for a few days that you are not going to pay them the money you already owe?

We all saw what happened when the government got into the housing business, and mandated banks loan money to people who couldn't afford houses....the housing market collapsed, and dragged the economy with it in 2008/2009. Many like to blame it on the banking industry. When government was out of the housing industry, banks actually had to worry about making a profit, and not losing their money. Whent the government backed everything up via Freddie and Fannie, all bets were off.

Now the government is getting into the healthcare business. We already see how it is going so far, and it isn't working too well. They knew that the computer system wasn't ready yet, but, they made the decision to go anyway. Maybe it's good they did so everybody gets a good taste of this monstrosity before the elections next year.

If our dear leader's healthcare program is so great, why doesn't Obama, and Congress have to participate it in, or more accurately, why do they get 75% tax payer funded subsidies for theirs? Wouldn't they also like to save $2500 per family to participate in it? They should be forced to eat their rotten cooking.

For you movie buffs, you ought to watch "Atlas Shrugged". There are actually three in the series. I have watched I and II. A lot of parallels as to what is going on with government, and American society/politics/economy/industry over the past five years or so. Well worth watching for the high information voter crowd. It certainly points to where we are headed. You could say it is a "fundamental transformation" of America.