89-92 Sport Nautique WFO wake pics wanted |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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Several CCFs including myself have had a long standing conjecture this hull would produce a near Barefoot table with near Ski Nautique drivability.
Anyone out there can help us out? I'd sure love to drive and ski one. The hull looks very much like Sanger's delta pad. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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Bump... also interested.
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IAughtNaut ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-22-2010 Location: TN Status: Offline Points: 2568 |
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what is WFO?
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skutsch ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-19-2008 Location: Racine, WI Status: Offline Points: 2874 |
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WIDE F#@^ing OPEN
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dwouncmd ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-10-2009 Location: NC Status: Offline Points: 919 |
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I am glad you cleared that up, because I thought it must be a model I had been unaware of
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89 SN
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rogier ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: September-01-2008 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 77 |
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I found the only (!) picture I have at WOT with my old boat. Not that good, but at least you have an idea. It's at about 45-50 mph with 5 adults in the boat, no weight. PM me with your email address, I don't know how to post and it has people on it. Not sure if they want to be on the internet.
Unweighted: The wake on WOT is very comparable to a 1992 ski nautique that we used here as well. My old 1992 sport did produce a significantly higher wake on wakeboard speeds. Weighted: This completely changes the game, a weighted sport 1992 has WOT the same wake as my new boat, a weighted SAN hull model 1996-2006. At wakeboard speeds, the wake of the 1992 or the SAN are almost the same. The downside of the 1992 sport is that if you stop, the wake rolls over the stern into the boat. Can be fun as well if there are people in the back that do not want to get wet ;) |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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I think we're more interested in the table than the wake itself- the hull shape doesnt have much in common with the Ski Nautique and does look to have a semi-vee like some of the more revered barefoot inboards (Sanger, Malibu, etc). PM sent!
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kapla ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-27-2008 Location: BA, Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6148 |
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you think a sport can get to the 45-50 mph?
need proof! |
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<a href="">1992 ski nautique
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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Actually Tim I've been developing a new discipline, wakeboard racing. Waiting on sanctioning to come through from USA Waterski. This could be our first approved towboat.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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Im sure it can attain similar top end as a NWZ with a comparable motor... 42-44 with the 240hp and 46-48 with the Pro Boss (92+).
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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HW I think you should stay the course with the tubing,Pete has got to retire one of these days,unless you think Quinner is the next threat
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Smithfamily ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-26-2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Status: Offline Points: 1602 |
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Now you are on to something!! |
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rogier ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: September-01-2008 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 77 |
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Sold the boat, so can't proof it anymore, but 45 was regular top speed, 50 with the high pitch prop. Unweighting it actually did not do that much for the speed, it just got there faster. Loved it, just wanted more space to accommodate my dual fuel options and weight sacks. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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Rogier, thanks again for the pics... unfortunately, they do not show the table, which is what we're primarily looking for. So we're still looking for pics!
45 is probably a bit optimistic if you had the 240hp engine, but it probably could be explained by a slightly inaccurate speedo. 50mph just isnt going to happen with that hull and engine combo... magical prop or not. ![]() |
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storm34 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4492 |
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Suppose Davinater still has this rig?
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oznautique ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: April-30-2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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I will have my 92 sport out this weekend weather permitting for its first run of our season. I will take some pics of the wake and table at WOT for you guys.
Cheers Brent. |
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mdvalant ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: May-06-2009 Location: Bellevue, IA Status: Offline Points: 2059 |
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Good Guy Brent
![]() disclaimer: this is not a picture of Brent. It is good guy Greg; an internet meme. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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Awesome Brent! Any and all pictures in the 38-45mph range would be awesome... wake, table, rooster, etc.
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skutsch ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-19-2008 Location: Racine, WI Status: Offline Points: 2874 |
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Speaking of rooster, I believe on many Sangers their is a plate installed aft of the rudder. I remember seeing them, but I don't remember if it is fastened to the bottom of the hull or the bottom of the transom. I think this is done to knock the rooster down or somehow disperse it. Is that the case? If so does it also impact the table? Would something like that have a similar effect on the correct craft rooster and table?
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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I cant speak to any Sanger plate but what youre describing sounds similar to the Scarpa plate that Malibu was installing on their barefoot boats. Eddie has something similar on his Barefoot Skier, which I assume is original. The plate is manually adjustable, I think the idea is to essentially add a little bit of hook to the back of the hull (tab just slightly angled down) which does 2 things: 1)generates lift in the back of the boat/pushes the nose down, making the wake slightly smaller and 2)knocks the prop wash down slightly and creates a small hole in the water, which reshapes the rooster and lessens the turbulence behind the boat (by reducing the wake within the wake caused by the defined rooster). It may also soften the wake's definition.
Its function is not unlike the hydrogate, as far as I can tell. Adding a plate like that to a CC with the padded keel would be tough, as the plate would need to be shaped to match the hull's running surface- or it would have to be pretty narrow to match the flat portion of the padded keel. Sangers and Malibus have a much wider flat portion in the middle of the hull, making the addition of a wide, flat plate fairly straightforward. HW and I are thinking that the 1st gen Sport hull has features that mimic the Sangers and Malibus that are known to be pretty good barefoot boats. |
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6149 |
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I have always been curious what a hydro gate made to slightly flatten the running surface on the back of a 2001 hull would do with the huge bump. I would consider giving it a try on my boat because heck it's already had the back blown off in a running gear collision ha.
Any slight alteration to the rear running surface of a tournament boat really does make a big difference even at low speeds like NSS. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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Read up on what SkiBum did on his '87. I recall he added a bit of hook to the trailing edge of the running surface and it really changed the slalom wake. |
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skutsch ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-19-2008 Location: Racine, WI Status: Offline Points: 2874 |
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Tim - I think I understand the "padded keel" concept, or rather checking for understanding, is that a description of the bottom of the BFN?
That flat portion in the middle of the hull appears to be present on the early model Sports, so that must be the similarity you are referring to? (see picture) Of course maybe that flat spot is even larger on the Malibu's and Sangers. BTW. So you could potentially make a similar modification on the Sport Hull. |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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Eddies plate is not specific to his boat being a Barefoot model, all those Advance hulls had them.
MasterCraft "barefoot" 197 plate ![]() Malibu's Scapra Suppression Plate (SSP) on the "Barefoot" Response. This is the "slower" hull. I would like to know if anyone has added this plate to the Echelon/Sporster hull (also first year Response '97). Andy's boat. "Barefoot" Sanger DXII ![]() Nearly all the wake boats have some sort of similar plate now as well. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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Steve, no- the "padded keel" was a feature on the Ski Nautique hull starting with the 2001, and is largely still in place today on the 200. It is the \_/ addition (to the center of the running surface that keeps it from being a perfect flat bottom (like the '81 and earlier SN's, etc).
![]() The BFN hull is a deep vee. ![]() Check out this (outboard) Barefoot Sanger... note the similarity to the Sport. |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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O/b hull flat spot is much wider
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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Eddie's boat
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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A plate would fit nicely on a 1GN sport.
The table is still not bad on the Sangers without a plate. Maybe Andy has good before pictures. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21141 |
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Sportster:
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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A lot if this has been done already 10 years ago @BFC. But, they never did the 1GN Sport (rightfully so, it's too slow in stock form).
Also, we have the Competition Barefoot Boats, Non CC thread Andy made in the spring where I already postulated on the 1GN Sport's barefooting potential. Reality is, it's been in my head for years. Sorry to wait until October to ask for table pictures Mike! |
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