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JPASS ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-17-2013 Location: Orlando Status: Offline Points: 2283 |
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Our boat runs 160 degrees all day long (351W carbed, with Protec). She occasionally creeps to 170, but for very short periods of time. We mostly run slower speeds around 18-20 when wakeboarding and maybe hit 35 when crossing the lake. very little time spent at WOT.
I called Nautiques of Orlando today to ask a question about oil and when I told them what temp our boat runs at, they said I should be running 140, not 160 and to swap my thermostat. Manual states 140-170 is normal. Am I OK with running 160? I have no idea what stat is in there. I will check it this weekend when I change the oil and oil pressure switch. |
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Donald80SN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: January-12-2009 Location: Denver, NC Status: Offline Points: 3896 |
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I run 140 (F).
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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With a 140 thermostat in a PCM Ford, normal running temperatures will be much closer to 160 than 140. Running in the 160-170 range is pretty normal- I wouldnt touch it.
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JPASS ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-17-2013 Location: Orlando Status: Offline Points: 2283 |
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That's what I thought, but he made it seem like that was way too hot. |
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Bones71 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March-09-2013 Location: Bettendorf Ia Status: Offline Points: 334 |
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What is the temperature gauge say directly in the center of it? 160? That's what my 89 says. I was always told you read gauges at normal readings in the center. So you make a glance and know its fine. SkiDim says a little higher temp makes fuel atomize better and a 170 temp is not all that high. I like the boat temping at 160 personally.
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JPASS ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-17-2013 Location: Orlando Status: Offline Points: 2283 |
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Yeah, the gauge has 160 at the 12 O'Clock. I always keep an eye on the temp gauge when I'm out. That and the oil pressure gauge. I am constantly checking them both. It's almost always pointing straight up.
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89Martinique ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-05-2011 Location: Binghamton Status: Offline Points: 457 |
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Don't trust the gauge. Due to voltage voltage drop the readings are higher one the gauges. This is due to poor grounding. I run a 143* in the CC it runs normally 150~160. Supra runs a 160* and it runs 170~180.
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74Wind ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-02-2011 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 2101 |
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TRBenj is the expert; but for what it's worth I've got 2 oldies; one's a Ford, the other a Chrysler, and I've never worried much about a specific "recommended" temperature range, but as an admitted "OCD" Gauge Watcher I just keep watch for regularity and consistency, and they've both run well for close to 40 years. |
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JPASS ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-17-2013 Location: Orlando Status: Offline Points: 2283 |
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Good to know. I have access to an infrared thermometer and I can double check the temps where the sensor is located just to be sure. I also ran a fresh ground and a negative bus bar to the underside of my dash with all new grounds going to every gauge on my dash. I'm pretty sure I've got the poor grounding issue resolved. The gauge used to read fine, then peg out after a few minutes and stay that way all day. Since I added the bus bar, everything has been reading nice and steady. |
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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Gauges are not grounded at the dash, so that has nothing to do with readings. Supply voltage drop can affect them though. I run 150-160 deg F. You are good as is, IMO.
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JPASS ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-17-2013 Location: Orlando Status: Offline Points: 2283 |
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So where are the gauges grounded? Now I'm curious. |
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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In normal summer temperatures mine runs right at 155-160 and has never changed (we started barefooting more this year) and it freaked me out because it would climb to 180 or so still running at idle which is normal but I have never done long soak WOT runs before this year much since we never barefooted.
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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Gauges ground through the sensor (on engine). Only the backlight is grounded at the dash, which has nothing to do with the accuracy.
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13521 |
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AKA... the sender wire IS the ground.
JPASS, careful what "advice" you take |
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JPASS ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-17-2013 Location: Orlando Status: Offline Points: 2283 |
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Good to know. Thanks. Just replaced the sensor last month. So I know it's good. I hear ya about heeding advice. We've only had our SN since June, so we are still learning things. This site has been priceless for it's wealth of knowledge. I'm pretty sure my running temps are OK based on everyone's replies and the owner's manual. When the boat is down, I'll have a look at the stat just to be sure everything is OK. |
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89Martinique ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-05-2011 Location: Binghamton Status: Offline Points: 457 |
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the sensor wire is NOT the ground for the guage! watch what happens when you discount the ground on the back of your gauge, the gauge PEGS to MAX! there are 2 magnetic coils in a gauge, a fixed coil, and a rotating coil. One the is on the constant 12+ to negative ground. the other coil is attached to the needle and is hooked up to 12+ and the sensor wire which the sensors ground based on readings to the sensors. If your grounding under the dash is poor then the fixed coil has a weaker field trying to fight the sensor coil. Therefore the sensor coil can rotate more showing a higher reading...
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Current Boats:
1992 Supra Comp-TS6M PCM 351w HO Pro Boss Pro-Tec Ignition - Full Composite (no wood stingers!) 1989 (3rd Gen) Correct Craft Martinique B/R PCM 351w Power Plus 1984 E-Scow Keuka Lake, |
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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OK, news to me about the 2nd coil, I stand corrected.
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13521 |
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That's an attempt to explain how the actual gauge works, but the signal from the sending unit is still a "ground". It's a circuit anyway, so it really doesn't matter what you call it.
Sending unit needs to function properly with clean connections for the gauge to have any chance at reading properly. I cannot comment on how to troubleshoot an actual gauge itself. Obviously it needs clean electrical connections as well. |
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pmt2234 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: June-14-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 46 |
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Before I replaced all the wiring from the dash to the motor on my 1984, my temp reading would jump every time I switched on the rear bilge blower. Now it doesn't budge. I had lots of voltage drop at the 8 pin connector, and some corrosion under the wire terminal crimps.
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Wilhelm Hertzog ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-14-2014 Location: Cape Town Status: Offline Points: 349 |
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So with a FWC motor running a 170 degree thermostat, I should be in the 190 degree range?
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