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Posted: March-12-2014 at 12:31pm |
A modification (HB 2329) to our Oklahoma Self-Defense Act has been authored and passed by the house. One of the changes allows permit holders to possess a gun, in a locked vehicle, on public school property.
My wife is about to start teaching and I love this idea. I didn't like the idea that she could not carry in her vehicle, if she wanted to. Thoughts? |
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bhectus
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As long as it is properly secured, why not? I'm all for it.
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I don't see an issue. I think the crazies might think twice about going into schools if they knew every teacher/admin was armed, But who knows they are crazy anyways.
If I was married and had a wife that say worked at a school in a bad part of town I would want her to have protection in the vehicle. |
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The only issue I see is the one that Brett brings up. Schools are a tough place for car break-ins as the teachers/students are all in class at the same time, so it would be easy to smash and grab during class hours. If the weapon was properly secured, Maybe a single safe bolted to the car floor board or something, it would give the teacher half an advantage if they could get to the weapon and had the presence of mind to use it.
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If my wife/child was in a shooting situation while teaching or at school, if she could reach her car I would want her to get in it and get the heck out of there, not run back in armed!! Leave the hero business up to the heroes, slippery slope. On the other hand, if I was in the same situation there is no way I am not going back in to do something, slippery slope magnified.
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Quinner is sliding down the slope!
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I see this as more of an easing of the restrictions on where people can carry. I'm not expecting this will allow my wife to go neautralize the threat in a school shooting situation. I see this as now she could carry in the vehicle, if she wants, so she could handle a situation between school and home, if the need were to arise.
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This. I don't think teachers should be allowed to carry into the school. Their personal vehicle is their property and should be treated as such, like I said, as long as it is properly secured. We don't need teachers trying to be heroes and possibly shooting an innocent kid instead of a crazy on a rampage. Too much liability for the school board also. |
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It's sad that this is what we've come to as society.... Where did we go wrong that we need resource officers and metal detectors in schools? As a 80's HS graduate I can remember that the guys who were hunters had gun racks in their pickups and a rifle in the rack. We NEVER had the issues that we are faced with today. If a fight broke out for whatever reason...you did the whooping or got the whooping and that was the end of it. No worries about retaliation with a hand gun, knife or anything.
I've got no problem with a firearm in the glovebox on school property. +1 on what quinner said. |
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Unsure current status, but Georgia has been working on legislation to further ease gun laws to allow carrying on campuses, churches, and bars. Bars? That's just brilliant.
When I first moved to Georgia I test drove a used car and found a rather large pistol in the center console. When I returned to the very large suburban home of this very well-to-do guy, I mentioned "maybe you oughta take the big gun out of the car before you let anyone else drive it" and he replied "I wondered where that one was..." Unbelievable. |
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Agree completely. I want to know my wife has a fighting chance while she is driving to and from work. She works nights and is 4' 11", not hard to overpower her. Her having a pistol in the car gives me a little piece of mind for her safety. Better to have a gun and not need it, then to need it and not have it. She keeps a cellphone stun gun in her purse at all times for situations where she's not near her firearm. Sad that this is the reality of the world we live in, but it is what it is. |
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Back in the day, I used my brothers truck to move cross country. I forgot a S&W 357 under the seat, I called home and my Dad mailed it to me in Florida from Detroit. IN A BOX OF Cheerio's
Everybody that works in schools needs situational training (Know when to stay in place,run,fight) It would be very effective if everyone knew some teachers had weapons but NO ONE knew who! |
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I agree with the idea of teacher being armed, but only some...and it being a mystery. It ties in to the idea of concealed carry...it's better knowing people COULD be carrying, but you aren't sure.
There are some situational trainings going on for teachers in various parts of the country. We will probably see that more and more. |
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Two carry pistols I like are Rugers the SP-100 5 shot .357 wheel gun and the .380 LCP semi auto. The SP-100 is a crack head stopper and the LCP .380 with a lazer is smaller than my wallet.
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I believe more guns equals less crime. They have already tried disarming and gun free zones where has that got us (Chicago)? I think teachers or other staff members should be well trained and armed to protect against any threat. Here in Kennesaw GA you have to own at least one gun to live there. This was started in 1982 where do you think the crime level is today?
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Even if the state has laws that allow it, the individual schools could have their own rules citing insurance liability or some other reason. Personally I would not be in favor of teachers carrying but not opposed to security in the school. The school my children attend has a resource officer but he is more than an armed guard at the door. He is a retired police officer and comes into classes and educates as well. He has earned the respect of students and staff.
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I think this is a good idea. If you get a CCW here in GA, you get fingerprinted and they do a FBI/GBI background check on you. And most of these laws are aimed a t CCW permit holders. I’m not afraid of the law abiding CCW holder but they guy that packs and doesn’t have a permit…
Look at MARTA here in Atlanta. in 2008 ish they changed the law and allowed CCW permit holder to pack when using MARTA. Guess what, the crime rate went down, since the bad guy is faced with the possibility of his potential victim packing. BTW Andy my preferred and every day carry gun is a Springfield XDs 9mm. |
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"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." — George Washington |
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I love the Springfield's. We have an XD40. The XDs is one that I'm kinda eyeing along with the Beretta Nano.
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When I got the XDs I "test drove" most of the other small ones (Glock, S&W, Beretta...) and just loved the XDs.
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Good to know.
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has anyone bought the s&w 380 bodyguard with the built in laser?
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peter,
I checked out the S&W .380 and the Ruger lcp .380 very close. I liked the google reviews of the Ruger. If I had the extra cash the Kimbar Custom Shop Ultra Carry .45 in the titanium finish is bad to the bone. |
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Hey guys, check out Gun Tests magazine. www.guntests.com. They shoot, analyze and compare different guns against each other. Also, test ammo. Very informative and accurate info. I subscribe to the magazine. Well worth the money.
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Andy i am a die hard 1911 fan, some of the custom carry 1911 bob tails and anti snag features are great , its so hard in the warmer months to conceal the majority of the pistols and revolvers on the market. nice to see something other than the old exposed hammer wheelguns or 3 shot jamming cheapo 22s for something you hope to never need
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