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Thanks guys! I will definitely have to put more attention into the handle position on the start. This was definitely my first real attempt at barefooting. I used to mess around with dropping a slalom ski when I was young, but it never worked.

I've done a lot of odd activities in my life and I'd have to say, getting up on my feet ranks up there with skydiving as far as the sensation you get.

I have been using the padded shorts under the suit. The eagle suit feels great for what it's worth.
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Was it the Abba soundtrack that kept you going?
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Originally posted by AAM196 AAM196 wrote:

Was it the Abba soundtrack that kept you going?


Ha! That was my little bit of fun! Was going to go with Dancing Queen (you know dancing on the water), but figured that was a little bit of a stretch. Didn't quite get the audio mix right either, should have had the Abba, a little louder, was trying to leave some of the engine noise in, but left too much. Oh well next time.

Chris - told you, you should have used the BFI shorts, but really you didn't need them, you did just fine. Boom was a little high for starting, but needed to be because he is so tall (when he stands up). I wanted to put a 2 foot extension on, but he decided, he would rather ride in that very pronounced "V" as opposed to being back even further in the spray. Oh he also refused the nose tape, multiple times - I don't understand why...

Another note, Chris did not do any boom work, choosing to do everything off the short line - it can be done.

Driving comments - Everything you see here is slow, slow, slow. His butt glide was somewhere in the neighborhood of 18-22, just fast enough to get most of the spray out of his face. Once established in the 3 point, I would accelerate him up to somewhere between 28 and 35. That should have worked to minimize "the hurt" when he falls. I lean toward emphasis on form, and technique over speed. Rather keep him safe and interested then see spectacular wipeouts - he'll experience plenty of those later as his confidence builds.
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Originally posted by skutsch skutsch wrote:

Oh he also refused the nose tape, multiple times - I don't understand why...
Well if it really does take 9 months for his sinuses to drain maybe next time he'll reconsider. My cousin said no the first time too, swallowed half the lake, now he thinks its a good idea.
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Driving comments - Everything you see here is slow, slow, slow. His butt glide was somewhere in the neighborhood of 18-22, just fast enough to get most of the spray out of his face. Once established in the 3 point, I would accelerate him up to somewhere between 28 and 35. That should have worked to minimize "the hurt" when he falls. I lean toward emphasis on form, and technique over speed. Rather keep him safe and interested then see spectacular wipeouts - he'll experience plenty of those later as his confidence builds.
All that makes sense, I just have one question...as a driver, how do you react to the skier getting over-anxious, cause I know I did. Tim B was pulling me at his place and I was in no mood to butt-glide long enough for him to speed up so I was just putting my feet in and standing up, most of the time around 22 or 24. Would you immediately try to roll him up to speed, or let him just bog down at way too low of a speed?
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Yeah thats a tough one, depending upon your size you could probably actually ski on your feet at 22 if your form is perfect, chances are though you are going to dig a foot in and over you will go. I believe fast changes are tough for an inexperienced skier to deal with, so I would probably shut him down and coach to either sit longer in the 3 point, or if the butt glide is solid have him wait there and roll him up around to 28 and then start the 3 point to stand process. Alternatively if you are able to stand and ski at 22 then a SLOW roll of the throttle will actually work, again, I would keep the speeds slow, so if there skiing at 22, probably don't have to go much more then 30. I also think the first time they get up, its better to have them end on there terms rather then to wipeout. You notice on Chris' first up, I just shut him down, you can also have them sit back into the 3 point and then let them sink. Really builds confidence that way.
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I was a weird case, I knew how to barefoot before I learned, if that makes any sense, so Tim looked over and I was on my feet but getting buried. I like your advice about keeping slow to avoid the skull scramblers, and I don't know for sure that he'll do that, but the last two times we went out the water was shlt and he was like, put the boom on I'm barefooting...ok dude, here we go. he has been good about being patient and riding on his butt on the boom before planting, so we'll see. Guess it'll be a learning curve on both sides.
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You think you're too cool for nose tape, but I have a newsflash for you Walter Cronkite... you aren't.

Back to the boom height. This looks plenty high to me.


On a Ski/Sport hull during the start the boat lists and the boom is also flexing. By supporting their own weight in skiing position the deflection and listing is minimized, which raises the boom. So, in the beginning, it seems low but will be OK in skiing position. A boat with lifting strakes (BFN) rides up high on plane, so you can start with the boom even lower. Riding with Seipel is work. "Boom up", "boom down" you're crawling all over the boat the whole time...
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Barefooting, especially starts, is a progression. For a start the progression is plane, plant, ski. When I drive, even experienced skiers like Willie or Andy, I always watch them, and give the proper speed for each phase. I don't have to worry about guys like Andy or Willie, but even the pros call for speed and expect certain things at the propoer interval. When I pull a newbie, or someone who hasn't skied for a while, I don't add more speed until they look comfortable in that phase. For example, if somebody is bouncing on their plane, i don't gas it to get rid of the bounce. Speed is your frined at the right time. Otherwise it can be your nemesis or even a crutch to proper technique.
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Exact speed at the exact right time is very important. Here I am giving ReidP some very precise and detailed specific direction last fall when he and Adam stopped by.

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Originally posted by LakeBoy LakeBoy wrote:

Barefooting, especially starts, is a progression. For a start the progression is plane, plant, ski. When I drive, even experienced skiers like Willie or Andy, I always watch them, and give the proper speed for each phase... When I pull a newbie, or someone who hasn't skied for a while, I don't add more speed until they look comfortable in that phase... Speed is your friend at the right time. Otherwise it can be your nemesis or even a crutch to proper technique.


See Roy always has a much better way of saying it, that is what I mean!
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Here's what I mean...water was junk, he went for it anyway.



It calmed down a little and he was actually able to do some work. We're working on going up and down, butt glide to plant. Some of these plants his feet are WAY too far out, but he has the videos and knows that's what he needs to work on. Once he is getting the position correct and can go up and down 5-6 times on the run I told him we will move to the short line, but if his feet are that far out I feel like all he's gonna do is crash.



And just for fun, here's what happens when I try to tumble too fast...over-rotate, haha. And then I saw what some jet ski had sent my way and I bailed.

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I had a reason for not using the nose tape. I'm not going to say what that reason is.........but there was one.

I'll probably use it next time.
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Chris great work you sure showed some determination and endurance !!!

Steve I thought you saved those Abba tracks for your tubing :)

I think I need to get you out here next summer for some driving and instruction.
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Continuing Adam's theme of newcomers to the sport. My brother's son-in-law was in for the weekend and said he wanted to give it a shot. Here's how it went. Of course, as these things go, the conditions stunk. We started at about 8:30 with one quick demo run by me and by 9 he was on his way....three attempts.

Attempts 1 and 2


Third and final attempt


If the conditions were better I would have hooked up the short line for him....next time.
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Originally posted by lewy2001 lewy2001 wrote:

Chris great work you sure showed some determination and endurance !!!

Steve I thought you saved those Abba tracks for your tubing :)


Hahaha. The Abba was supposed to be payback for me posting pics of Steve's boat with a tube behind it.
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Greg...back deep...cock the toes towards the shins HARD. Set the big toe in easy on both feet.

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My daughter picked up a new camera mount for Father's Day.....will give this a try tomorrow.

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Well I did get out last weekend with my daughter behind the wheel and we both struggled- my struggles were related to not thinking / communicating with my daughter and her struggles were not being able to see what was happening with me (to know when to take off / slow down) and my overall poor communication with her. Certainly will add the extension to the boom to help the driver see what the skier is doing.

I know video or pics otherwise it did not happen. Well the gopro mount is shown above and the first try captured everything up until the time I rolled over then the battery died.

There is another weekend coming up and the water should be drained from the sinuses and ready for some additional attempts / conditioning.

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run the boom out the drivers side for better communications/visual...charge gopro fully the night before.

you can get the wifi remote and run it with a smart phone and see exactly what the gopro sees. there is a learning curve for sure.
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Andy,
Think I looked at the drivers side boom option last winter and determined that is was not possible with drivers seat position / dog house. This will be added to the check list this Saturday before launching the boat.

I charged the gopro the morning belfore going out for ~30 minutes and figured I was fine - NOT

Despite the issue's all remained positive with the exception of my wife who was not a fan of the process. I just reminded her it was part of learning and no different than the head packers / body abuse when I was learning to go forwards......Guessing she is going to wait until I can get to my feet before watching anymore of the fun.....
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do you have a contoured boom or straight?
the countored clears the seat and dog house...
I tried using mine on drivers side, but handling is compromised in that side...i guess the right hand prop likes the boom on the port side...
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I have a contoured boom. Will mess around some with it this weekend to see what I can get to work.
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Sounds like I need to plan a trip up there sometime soon. But the other side of that coin is, if you and your daughter can stick it out and learn together, then you have a pretty much full time, custom trained, driver. My son has been my main driver for a few years now, but unfortunatley he decided he had a life and isn't around as much any more.
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I need to get some work issues squared away and would love to get down there. In the meantime I am going to continue work on this and get my daughter some more seat time. She has driven for me since she was 14 then college came along and I lost my driver....with me working on this it serves a dual purpose in providing some more father daughter time (that is pretty cool considering she is 22) and a sense of humor for her- lol

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I'm looking at that camera angle and it seems you are unnecessarily far back on the boat. Get the boom as far forward as possible.
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I will try moving the boom more forward. Not sure if it is helping or hurting the process (but if your suggestion is to move the boom forward it is likely not helping) I have added roughly a 1' extension to the 5' pigtail to help with (perception) of a need for my longer legs.

Also, in reviewing pic's vid's I see that my legs are not fully extended - bent knees
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I always like the boom as forward as reasonably possible. It gets you out of the boat spray and closer to te driver's eyes. You can always add length to more closely simulate long line but make some real progress on just the handle first.
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Switched things around this evening and will give it a go in the morning. Hopefully the GoPro will take the charge tonight.
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