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TRBenj
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Seems like people are talking different speed control systems and confusing the issue.
Both stargazer and earlier versions of pp have an rpm mode that you can use if you'd like. If using speed control mode on an earlier version I uses a paddle wheel and it measures speed over water. It's inaccurate above 40 (dads 03 said it ran 49 on pp but GPS said 45-46). Stargazer uses GPS to set the speed in speed mode, which measures speed over land. If you are pulling through an anchored slalom course, stargazer speed mode will give you accurate speed through the buoys. If you are free skiing on a river and concerned about speed over water, rpm mode in either system will get you there, as will speed mode in an earlier paddle wheel version. Zero off for the DBW boats operates the same as pp SG. |
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skutsch
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Like Tim says, if you are using a GPS based system (Speed control or speedometer) that device will indicate actual speed over land (or in this case water). So if it says you are going 35 mph and you are going upstream against the 5 mph current, you are moving at 35 mph relative to a fixed object located on the earth (such as a slalom buoy).
But if you were to also have system that uses the water to approximate speed (such as a paddle wheel or even an airguide) because the water is actually moving, when you head upstream you would have an indicated speed (on the airguide or paddle wheel system ) of 40 mph and down stream speed would indicate 30 mph. None of this changes the fact that relative to that fixed slalom buoy you are still going 35 mph which is what would be indicated on your GPS based speedometer. Having said all that, I do not know what the official USA Waterski rules are with respect to slalom speeds in a course on a river. |
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TRBenj
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I know what you meant but you mis-stated an important distinction... GPS speed is never measured over water (which could by its nature, be moving due to current, etc), but always over land. Think of it as measuring speed over the river (or lake) bottom. Rpm and local speed sensors (pitots, paddle wheels, etc) are only capable of controlling speed over the surface of the water. Without looking at the rule book, I'm fairly certain that tournament scores require accuracy in regards to timing through the course, and does not contain provisions for speed (regardless of how it's measured or how much it varies). |
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skutsch
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I concur, minor clarification of my parenthetical statement required. It's been so long since I have done in any real engineering, that what I think in my head doesn't always come out the same in written form. HA! |
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AAM196
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Yeah... you need a little more rpm going up river... a good driver has no problem compensating... trying to find out how to get the wife there..
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