Living in the country

Orlando76 wrote: Side note- being a house, even though it's a dedicated circuit using a single chassis receptacle (non duplex), I'd bet inspector would require it be GFIC protected and I agree.... Add another $50 per unit.

Yes, this would be interesting depending on the inspector. If he objects, I'd have to ask about the washer and drier plugged in a duplex and allowed by the NEC!! I've got the freezer in my garage plugged into a simplex and I'll see what happens!!

Well I don't know sh1t so I'm just the big E.

I'm a native.

Are you with the IRS?

I'm not afraid to admit, I failed the masters Block last May. But with a 22% passing rate, bust my balls. Who here's tried it? My next $2000 eligibility is in April. I am an EC commercial and industrial contractor (12+ years) who's hired a qualifier EC. That's why when somebody says 1100$ is nuts for 4 units it burns me bc I see and know what's involved being 110% legal, responsible, and totally sue-able.

Florida is the hardest to get licensed in as far as Master eligibility and to be a legal company, however the dumb state no longer requires nor recognizes a journeyman's license. They do not reciprocate.   Requirements originate here and radiate outward. Since I didn't work for a min of 6 electrical contractors, I was not eligible for 10 years to take the masters exam. FL wanted me to bounce around company to company, I chose to go in business. My qualifier holds for 4 companies. His first EC was in '72. Even one of the largest electrical companies, a nationwide company based in DC struggled with a FL lic so they hired my qualifier. We did a job in MO and MO required me to take their test. when they found we had a FL EC, they immediately issued a MO EC. All programs for masters EC schooling like Tom Henry, Mike Holt,etc are from here.

Orlando76 wrote: turningpoint84 wrote: Orlando76 wrote: It should cost $1100 just to wire 4 20a/120v insta hot. Which is nuts it's something I could do in an afternoon, myself. NEC requires a disconnecting means for insta hots. So for each unit 120V: 20a single pole push in breaker-$8 Average of 100' of 12-2 Romex (which I'd never do) at I'm guessing $0.50 per ft for EACH unit 3' min of 12-3 SOW cord, I'm guessing $1.00 ft 4x4x2/1/8 box and RS cover-$6 1 nema 5-20p spec grade plug-$10 and up 1 nema 5-20r receptacle $8 3-1/2" nm clamp/squeeze connectors per unit-$3 each For each unit. Thats $95 in material before screws, ground screws, stupid non metallic staples. $380. 4 units-$1000 to install. Now for $620 you have to run the wire. But before all that can take place: You have to hold a master EC license for the company with 14 hours of annual continuing education. The test and schooling is pretty brutal and $, if you fail start and pay again. Post bonds and liability insurance through a company. Workers comp. Annual state fees. Annual local municipality fees. Pull the permit for the job (just 4 units if the house was already built) $75 average and 2 hours. Meet and wait for the rough inspection and final inspection. If you fail $150 reinspection fee, start over again. Now, with what might remain from that $620 you have too: Wait for finishers, wait for the cabinets to be set, wait for plumber to finish. THEN you have to crawl into that cabinet and wire the unit. Sure you could hire last weeks orange picker for $10 to jerk the jerk-mex. You'll have a real good reputation 20 years later. Or you hire a worker who has a chance in this world (IBEW $27-35 hour here) pay their medical, retirement, supply them with a stocked truck and auto insurance and proper tools to do a proper job. And a chance to have a family and and further education. End of my soap box, I apologize. Back to Living in the county.

Well i'm not doing this for someone or hiring somone, i'm doing this myself for my house, which i'll do all the wiring from the Breaker box.

As for what is exactly needed, looks about right. I can follow my Architects wiring plan and yes i'll involve the proper inspectors.

Also I wont be installing any insta hot's so calm down.

What i love is it's still 1-2 days worth of work and every electrician by trade in here believe it's worth $600+, sorry but you're not worth $300 a day, at least not to me, yes for certain aspects that involves skilled items sure, but i'm not paying your to wire in all my outlets and light fixtures at $300 a day. That's my gripe.

$300.00 per day is not fair?   turningpoint...you realize that the 3 top trades    HVAC Plumbing Electrical have a hard time billing 40 hrs for a 5 day week .= 75k a yr    what white collar job that has the equivalent of a bachelors degree of training and the skills equal to many master degree people making 150 K plus tradesmen also trying to pay their own health insurance , workers comp , equipment payments etc... dont be an idiot.. i make 150 per hr on a holiday , or weekend or at midnight keeping know it all homeowners warm after they messed around with their equipment and it is not in any way enough $ to deal with ignorance   

there is no need for plumbers anymore   there is shark bite now

JoeinNY wrote: Contrary to Pete's assertion we don't need a licensed electrician here

Joe,
Peter lists his location as Cincinnati.

allowed by code or not shark bites scare me

8122pbrainard wrote: 8122pbrainard wrote: turningpoint84 wrote: i'm doing this myself for my house, which i'll do all the wiring from the Breaker box. Sorry Peter but you had better hire an electrician before you get in trouble. I forgot that you will need a plumber too for the tankless or are you going to try and hack that as well?? BTW, you never answered if you need to run EMT in your area?

I installed my tankless unit myself and it was hacked together with thought as your boat.

Installed the 3" PVC Venting( hammer driled through the 8" foundation(PITA), the 3/4" copper sweat lines from the main since it was 1/2", Re-ran the gas lines that were 1/2" to 3/4" to provide enough BTU, ran the 12-2 electric line and i ran the 3/4" pvc drain. Took me about 3 days, but the work i did was perfect to code and looks amazing.

No i didn't call an ambulance, EMT's aren't necessary.

peter1234 wrote: allowed by code or not shark bites scare me

I've used shark bites few times, not sure what there is to scared of. I prefer to sweat or use a compression fitting though.

Peter,
I'm very impressed with your accomplishment. Maybe Andy will hire you to go down there and install them in his new house. Wow, could you ever save him the $$$!!

So, we sat down with the contractor last night to finalize and approve plans and make any last minute changes for his bid. During that conversation, we talked about several thoughts on options. Regarding the water heater situation, we spoke in more detail of costs and options. He said that with our 4 bathroom set up and hot water needs, the tankless configuration costs about $1100 in equipment and around $5-6k in additional electrical and plumbing costs. We discussed another alternative to the typical 40 gallon water heater in most houses and that is a smaller tank configured with a recirculator. Have any of you had much experience with this? He's installed them in several houses and said he plans to do the same in his own house whenever his standard water heater decides to go out.