Forums
NautiqueParts.comNautiqueSkins.com - Correct Craft Upholstery and Part
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Shaft/Transmission Couplings
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Shaft/Transmission Couplings

 Post Reply Post Reply   
Author
jwweathers View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: July-09-2015
Location: Alabama
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jwweathers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Shaft/Transmission Couplings
    Posted: July-13-2015 at 11:51pm
I am replacing the original shaft seal on my 85 2001 with a PSS dripless shaft seal. I removed the 4 bolts attaching the shaft coupling to the tranny coupling, but the couplings will not come apart. I guess they are rusted together. Anybody have this problem? Any tips on getting them apart? Thanks.

Jeff
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4127
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 12:55am
I used an old wood chisel and tapped it in between the two working my way around the couplers. They’ll come apart with some persuasion.
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 7:24am
Jeff,
The next step will be to get the coupling half off the shaft. If you're not aware, it's a interference fit. If the coupling comes off easy, it and the shaft are bad. Poor alignment fret's the fit. Getting it off if good requires using the "long bolt and spacer trick". Get back to us with what you find.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
baitkiller View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: October-11-2011
Location: SW Florida
Status: Offline
Points: 1693
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote baitkiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 9:05am
BMFH
Jesus was a bare-footer.............
Back to Top
jwweathers View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: July-09-2015
Location: Alabama
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jwweathers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 11:40am
I thought installing the dripless shaft seal was gonna be a quick and easy. I wasn't aware of the interference fit between the shaft and coupling. To quote Jimmy Fallon, "Ewwwwwww"! I will just repack the original seal. Thanks for all of the helpful inputs.

Jeff
Back to Top
backfoot100 View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member


Joined: January-03-2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1897
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backfoot100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 11:46am
Originally posted by jwweathers jwweathers wrote:

I thought installing the dripless shaft seal was gonna be a quick and easy. I wasn't aware of the interference fit between the shaft and coupling. To quote Jimmy Fallon, "Ewwwwwww"! I will just repack the original seal. Thanks for all of the helpful inputs.

Jeff


Your other option is removing the engine, removing the prop and pulling the shaft out through the shaft log. Then you don't have to mess with the coupler. LOL


When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.



Eddie
Back to Top
SNobsessed View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: October-21-2007
Location: IA
Status: Offline
Points: 7102
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SNobsessed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 3:32pm
The Goretex packing drips very little.
“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

Ben Franklin
Back to Top
phatsat67 View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: March-13-2006
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 6157
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote phatsat67 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by backfoot100 backfoot100 wrote:

Originally posted by jwweathers jwweathers wrote:

I thought installing the dripless shaft seal was gonna be a quick and easy. I wasn't aware of the interference fit between the shaft and coupling. To quote Jimmy Fallon, "Ewwwwwww"! I will just repack the original seal. Thanks for all of the helpful inputs.

Jeff


Your other option is removing the engine, removing the prop and pulling the shaft out through the shaft log. Then you don't have to mess with the coupler. LOL




It's funny but I could probably do it that way faster. Just tried a heat fit last night with new parts and it only went half way on just like my other one
Back to Top
jwweathers View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: July-09-2015
Location: Alabama
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jwweathers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 3:58pm
Ordered the gore-tex packing today. We'll see how it goes. I may go to the dripless seal over the winter when I have more time to tinker...
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by jwweathers jwweathers wrote:

I thought installing the dripless shaft seal was gonna be a quick and easy. I wasn't aware of the interference fit between the shaft and coupling. To quote Jimmy Fallon, "Ewwwwwww"! I will just repack the original seal. Thanks for all of the helpful inputs.

Jeff

Jeff,
I'm glad you decided not to go with the dripless. It's nothing but bling anyway. As mentioned, go with the Gortex. It's a great product.

While you have the coupling apart, do an alignment.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
Gary S View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: November-30-2006
Location: Illinois
Status: Offline
Points: 14096
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 8:17pm
I'm surprised Jeff that Pete didn't mention that a dripless seal is what the name says. It's drip less not drip proof.
69 Mustang HM SS
95 Nautique Super Sport
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4127
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2015 at 10:14pm
Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

I'm surprised Jeff that Pete didn't mention that a dripless seal is what the name says. It's drip less not drip proof.

I don't know about that. I love mine and my bilge is dry as a bone. Hate having water in there when you don't have to, easy to clean just a wipe and your done.
Back to Top
jwweathers View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: July-09-2015
Location: Alabama
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jwweathers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-15-2015 at 1:05am
Anything I need to know when repacking with the gore-tex?? How is it different from traditional packing?

Jeff
Back to Top
Hollywood View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: February-04-2004
Location: Twin Lakes, WI
Status: Offline
Points: 13514
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hollywood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-15-2015 at 10:58am
yeah, i hate water in my boat too. hate it.
Back to Top
GottaSki View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: April-21-2005
Location: NE CT
Status: Offline
Points: 3363
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GottaSki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-15-2015 at 11:11am
Yeah, dry bilge is adventageous

I must have got lucky, used new flax about 13 years ago, and hasn't dripped or burned since. Not sure how.
"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."

River Rat to Mole
Back to Top
SNobsessed View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: October-21-2007
Location: IA
Status: Offline
Points: 7102
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SNobsessed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-15-2015 at 11:33am
I cut the seal pcs a little long so they would compress well. Probably not needed, just what I did.

Make sure & stagger the joints 120 deg.

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

Ben Franklin
Back to Top
jwweathers View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: July-09-2015
Location: Alabama
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jwweathers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-16-2015 at 12:25am
Removed the old packing today. I'll tell you what. These classics don't give up anything easy! ***************! I couldn't get that old packing to budge a bit at first. Then I decided to insert the end of my needle nose pliers into the packing nut while turning the nut hoping that, applying a little pressure, I could find where the packing met and lift it out. Worked like a charm. Going to install the Gore-tex tomorrow. Hope it works well.
Back to Top
MrMcD View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: January-28-2014
Location: Folsom, CA
Status: Offline
Points: 3749
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MrMcD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-16-2015 at 4:27am
The packing in my old boat went 20 years and 800 hours. It was the standard packing.
If we camped for 4 days with the boat in the water it would have less than a half gallon in the boat from leakage or maybe that is left over from people entering and exiting.
I never had to adjust it that whole time. If your shaft is aligned properly and the packing is set correctly so it has lubrication the stuff lasts for one heck of a long time. I see no need to upgrade to the dripless systems.   Just one guys opinion based on 30 years of tournament boat use.   Only 2300 hours so I am sure many on this forum have more experience. When you do adjust the packing nut do it on the water. Start with it pretty loose and drive the boat around. I like to have a buddy drive while I monitor the drip out the packing seal. Every time you make a slight adjustment drive it a while then recheck.
Take your time do it right and do it once.   After you make an adjustment the nut will run at a new temperature based on how much water lubrication it is getting so a minor adjustment might make a big difference in drip after you drive a little.   When you get it close to correct make very fine adjustments. If you get too tight it will get warm and mess you up by shutting off the water flow. When you are done and give it the final torque on the lock nuts check it again and be sure you did not tweak it with your final torque. It has been a year since I did our new boat but I think I got it down to 12-14 drips per minute and left it. If adjusted well it will drip while in gear and not leak at all while parked.   Parked for a 3 day weekend in the lake it has almost no water in the bilge. Maybe 1 - 32 oz cup worth. I am OK with that. Good Luck with yours, be patient.
Back to Top
jwweathers View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: July-09-2015
Location: Alabama
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jwweathers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-16-2015 at 12:55pm
Any tips on removing all of the residue from the old packing material?
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4127
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-16-2015 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by MrMcD MrMcD wrote:

. When you do adjust the packing nut do it on the water. Start with it pretty loose and drive the boat around. I like to have a buddy drive while I monitor the drip out the packing seal. Every time you make a slight adjustment drive it a while then recheck.
Take your time do it right and do it once.   After you make an adjustment the nut will run at a new temperature based on how much water lubrication it is getting so a minor adjustment might make a big difference in drip after you drive a little.   When you get it close to correct make very fine adjustments. If you get too tight it will get warm and mess you up by shutting off the water flow. When you are done and give it the final torque on the lock nuts check it again and be sure you did not tweak it with your final torque. It has been a year since I did our new boat but I think I got it down to 12-14 drips per minute and left it. If adjusted well it will drip while in gear and not leak at all while parked.   Parked for a 3 day weekend in the lake it has almost no water in the bilge. Maybe 1 - 32 oz cup worth. I am OK with that. Good Luck with yours, be patient.


Yea that sounds a lot easier than ....put it on hook up the hose and your done, and have a dry bildge
Back to Top
MrMcD View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: January-28-2014
Location: Folsom, CA
Status: Offline
Points: 3749
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MrMcD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-16-2015 at 4:45pm
OK, I see your point, but where would you rather be, on the Lake motoring around or in your garage fighting to break old rusty connections loose?
It is probably a break even on time.   Keep in mind, an experienced wrench knows 100 tricks to break something loose. A rookie may know zero and not be able to accomplish the task.
Once installed the new design seal would sure make a shaft replacement easier for sure.
A friend tried to change his prop and before he realized he was in over his head he had destroyed the prop shaft..
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Copyright 2024 | Bagley Productions, LLC