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spiralhelix
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Posted: August-24-2015 at 1:31pm |
So I just received an impulse purchase of a Kidder KD3000 68" ski. It has a couple scrapes on the sole and a small gouge on the top plate. I'm hoping this is an upgrade from my Connelly Quatum.
Being new to the double boot world...is there anything I should know? Anyone have feedback on this ski? Also, the bag is really dirty. I was thinking I'd toss it into the washer on the gentle cycle unless there is a better way to clean it up (i understand dirt doesn't really matter and it will just get dirty again, but i just like to create my own dirt ) |
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91NaughtyQ
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You are going to have to "lube" the bindings when you put the ski on. I have always just kept a travel bottle of Dawn with me - Assuming you are on the platform-. Dunk the ski- squirt a little bit on each binding where they come together at the top. Slide feet in. The Dawn washes right away and you have a nice snug fit |
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gas_it
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I have an old Kidder Redline Graphite double boot that I love. Just don't get both boots so tight that you can't lose the ski on a hard fall.
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Jonny Quest
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Don't forget to lube up your foot too. Makes entry much easier. I have 2 KD skis and love 'em. KD 7000 and CR7.
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spiralhelix
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cool.. thanks for the tips all! Its funny that the design of the boot is not much different than the hyperlite raider boots i have for the wakeboard. I'm hoping that the conditions allow for me to give this ski a try tomorrow. I'm really hoping 68" will get me out of the water easier. the 67" is definitely a struggle.
Just as a follow up, I did wash the bag in the washer on gentle cycle and let it air dry. It came out nice and clean. The straps were pretty rotted, so I will eventually stitch on some new ones, but not a pressing issue ATM. |
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GottaSki
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Great ski. My wife and daughter love thier 3000, in 63"
I'd like to take it for a rip but don't want to break it on them. If you can't get up on it, report back here for advise, we'll get you going |
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bkhallpass
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For double boots, most folks put the back foot in first.
My wife has 3000, it's 63" or 64". She's always liked the ski, though she's not a real aggressive skier, so she doesn't push the ski to its capability. BKH |
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spiralhelix
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Oh man I was excited about the ski until every post I've read on this bad boy, people only talk about females using it. Did I buy a vw Jetta of the ski industry?
Thanks for the tip on rear foot first. |
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Hollywood
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it is purple
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bkhallpass
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I don't know how well you ski. Most guys over buy. You know that. I certainly do.
I don't have any real data, but I would guess that the KD 7000 was a bigger seller with guys because we always think we are better than we are. My $.02. BKH |
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bkhallpass
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Says the guy with the pink wetsuit. BKH |
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Bri892001
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I'd have to guess the 68 length version would have to be made for a male.
Either that, or for the more full figured lady, LOL |
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backfoot100
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LOL... Probably but I wouldn't let that stop you from using it. My daughter has a 63" 3K and she loves it but she has pretty much used it up. She wants something faster and more aggressive. It's got more flex than the 7K so it's a more forgiving ski but it will serve you well for some time at your skiing level. |
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GottaSki
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That ski won't hold you back..
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DrCC
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According to my niece the Kidder 3k is the best ski she's had so far. Her mom skis on it too, and luvs it.
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MrMcD
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I ski a Kidder Red Line and it is very predictable, turns great and is stiff for fast wake crossings. I don't know how the Red Line compares to the 3000 but I have similar boots.
I hate needing soap to put them on but they are comfortable once on. The Kidder works well on soft pulls and on very hard pulls. |
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GottaSki
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The 3000 and the redline are very similar.
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spiralhelix
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i noticed that the sole does say HAMMER with REDLINE underneath.
I thankfully got into the boots on just fine. I left my card reader at home, so can't upload any video today. My attempts were not fruitful last night. I guess Ive been away from it too long that I can't seem to find that perfect position/balance to pop out of the water. I'll try some more this weekend. |
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Hollywood
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put a toe plate on the back. you are going to hurt yourself trying to get up in double boots.
call wileys and tell them what you have, they'll have a plate that fits those holes |
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Bri892001
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Often times, the missing piece of a successful deepwater start is just getting into a ball, and staying there as long as you need to. Trying to stand up too soon will foil attempts.
Gundriver demonstrated a piece of the start at last year's CT Mini that I never specifically thought about before then: You want to make the handle touch your forward shin. In-other-words, be couched enough that your legs fit inside the the area created by your two straight arms and the handle. Lean a little forward or back as required, but don't try to force it, you just have to wait. Also, have the driver put the boat in gear, so you can get all lined up in balanced, then hit-it from there. Hitting it from a dead stop doesn't always yield the best results. |
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quinner
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Toe plate for sure. As far as binding lube, I use 1/3 laundry soap with 2/3 water in a spray bottle, works great and as I understand it not as hard on the rubber.
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spiralhelix
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Not sure how you are basing your assessment on possible injury. i'd say i have a higher probability of hurting myself doing tricks on the wakeboard than I do on the single ski. I am fully capable of skiing once I am up...most of the time I just don't want to practice deep water starts so I either dock start or drop a ski (not an option with the double boot) as to not waste water time. I'll just have to continue to practice until I get the feel. If I want a toe plate, I'll just use my connelly or jobe ski.
My slalom experience has always been recreational and i've never been in a course. I'd like to advance my skills and start carving better turns. Up until last year, never had much opportunity to ride as I didn't own a boat (or know too many people). So it's been close to 20 years (and a few #s heaver) since I've routinely gotten up on slalom, it's not that I've never done it, just haven't done it enough lately. Two skis, wakeboard, ski seat, and kneeboard are not an issue for deep water starts for me. Brian, I would agree that position is my downfall at this stage. Yesterday I was trying to teach a buddy how to get up on the wakeboard and it's was really easy to tell him what he was doing wrong, but until he incorporated what I was saying he kept struggling. In the end, he got up...but his balance issues made it tough to stay up. I remember back in the days when I was learning to ski/wakeboard for the first time and the struggles, but once you get that "feel", everything just clicks into place. It will take a little practice and patience. I need to heed my own advice :) I will maintain a tighter ball and keep the handle to my shins. If I have to continue to use the shorter ski with toe plate until I get the feel, so be it. Thanks again for the advice. |
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M3Fan
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Gang, we are talking about skis that are what- 15 years old at this point? A lot has happened in the ski world since then FWIW. I think Denny started D3 in 2004 or so.
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quinner
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On a hard fall where only the front releases things can get ugly fast, happened to me enough times I went back to a toe plate. After going back to a toe plate it was also clear to me the rear boot did not make me a better skier, way overrated IMO.
On your deep starts, too much throttle can also mess up the skier, hammer down is not always best. |
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Hollywood
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I still think the problem stems from it being a girl's ski
You should not be relearning deepwater starts in a double boot ski. You're setting yourself up for pulling something (back muscle, hamstring, arm/shoulder tendon) and wasted time and gas. Good luck getting your shinS to the handle. If you can do that you'll be up and on your way to 1 ball immediately! Knee between the elbow. If on 2 skis, both knees between the elbows. If you can't stay stable dragging in gear you're not ready. Or, be an injury risking 50% get up kind of skier. |
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spiralhelix
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HAHAHAHAHAHA HW. How did I miss that scene when I saw that movie?!?!?! It might be time for a rewatch.
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Hollywood
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it's never not a time for a rewatch
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TRBenj
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I agree. You don't need a double boot to "take it to the next level". Andy mapple always used a rear toe plate, didn't seem to hold him back. |
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Hollywood
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I see more people lean back, relying on their back foot with the "security" of the boot holding their foot in. Double boots can promote bad habits. Ski in a toe plate, it'll force you to use your front foot, like you should be using.
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DrCC
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When was the last time you were up on the Jobe?
A long long time ago, I found the yellow bottom honeycomb Jobe to be the hardest ski to get up on. |
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