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63 Skier
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With a 3.2 liter diesel. It kills me that I can't buy an SUV in the US with a diesel. I'm hoping the little Duramax GM put in the Canyon this year finds it's way into other vehicles, but doesn't seem to be much push for it. |
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tryathlete
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Wow--I'm debating what to replace my aging but still reliable company car with-- Ford Explorer with Ecoboost 3.5 or maybe this Colorado with diesel. Third choice is Highlander AWD V-6.
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gun-driver
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Jeep has one http://www.jeep.com/hostc/bmo/CUJ201603WKJP74A/2TH/configurator.do#/powertrain One of these days stupid Americans will wake up and start to demand more diesel options in their vehicles I'm all diesel wife has a '07Jeep GC 3.0 CRD I have my F-250 Powerstroke and a VW Jetta TDI as my daily driver ] |
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tryathlete
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With the clean air emissions requirements where they are for diesels, the advantages once held by these more efficient heat engines are rapidly going away. VW cheated because these regulations destroyed their market advantage. Ford used to have a great diesel in the Powerstroke. Successive generations that replaced that great engine suffered from catastrophic warranty and reliability issues caused by rapid technology implementation designed to meet the cleaner emissions requirements. A friend of mine has a Jeep Liberty diesel that has spent an inordinate amount of time in the shop.
Direct injection turbo gasoline engines are starting to make a big dent in the differences between gas and diesel performance and the business case for diesels has forced most OEM's to abandon diesel tech in the USA. Europe is finally realizing that their air quality problems resulting from favoring diesel fuel via tax favoritism Is flawed. I had a Powerstroke Excursion. Dang--wish I still had that Monster truck. Mother of all SUV's |
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uk1979
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If you thinking of a diesel do lots of research on the one you like....new diesel are not like the old ones... lots of tech on them to go wrong check out dpf filters they can kill new diesel engines...top tip change oil more often than is recommended.
One of our MB sprinters late 2010 new engine at 245k. |
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tryathlete
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Wow 245k diesel life--class 8 diesel trucks seek
1MM longevity. EGR kills diesels. It puts heat and exhaust gasses where they do the Most damage--back inside the engine. Cooling systems were greatly enlarged, and Urea added to further reduce emissions another hassle. I like the performance but he cost to go diesel simply doesn't add up unless the engine lasts a hell of a long time and you drive a lot. I mean A LOT. |
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desertskier
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My old houseboat partners own an aftermarket parts company called Bulletproof Diesel. They have made millions re-designing Ford 6.0 parts. Two very intelligent hard working brothers.
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phatsat67
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If I needed a new 3/4 ton truck it would be a gas rig due to the fuel, upgrade, potential maintenance costs.
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john b
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I do not understand the fascination with Diesel engines in light duty vehicles. One exposure to exhaust from a diesel, especially an older one or one modified by some knucklehead to pollute more has my asthmatic wife reaching for her rescue inhaler and can involve an emergency room visit. I love Jan and we have had 44 great years together. I would like to have her around for many more years to come.
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If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
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GMacLaren
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John, I agree! This is a bit off-topic, but that's never stopped anyone here --- Soo, I learned to dislike Peugeots while stationed in France in the late 50's. Therefore -- I was dismayed when the rental place in Scotland substituted a Peugeot for the real car I had reserved for 2 weeks. I was more than pleasantly surprised with that diesel Peugeot! It may have been the best designed car I've ever driven. Small & powerful it was great fun to drive on those cow paths the Scots call roads. Great mileage (important in GB) and I never got a whif of diesel fumes -- nor did my wife (with asthma.) All that, and -- it had an amazing sunroof! I'm told the car can't be sold here because it doesn't meet our emission standards. If you rent a car in Scotland, ask for a Peugeot! |
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8122pbrainard
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I do miss my 6.5 turbo at times but, it wasn't without the tech problems. Being a 95, it was a first generation with the electronics driving the injector pump. At least it didn't need the DEF! |
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Gary S
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For the distance I drove everyday it killed my diesel in 100k miles. It is still better to live close to work than to get good mileage. I still do not really drive that much, except for the southern runs. By the time the payback would be reached I'd be way tired of it anyway.
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63 Skier
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I had forgotten about the Grand Cherokee diesel. A friend of mine has one and loves it. Pricey!
Peter, my son and I drove our Jeep Liberty CRD to Boston and back, about 150 miles total. It's got 144,000 miles on it, and has been an amazing vehicle. Yes, most had problems before 100,000 miles, and I bought mine with I think 85,000 on it. I put aftermarket ECM and tranny module on, run good oil and filter, did a thermostat mod to let it get up to temp and stay there. We'll see how much longer it last but I really like it. You are 100% right about EGR's, my ECM stops all EGR function. John, I totally respect your need to stay away from the fumes. I guess the "why run a diesel" question for me is kind of like "why run a Ford over a Chevy". I just like diesels. GM 6.5's are a hobby of mine, love driving my '98 plow truck, sometimes park the Tahoe and just drive it for a week because it's fun. So my desire for a diesel SUV is just that I enjoy driving diesel vehicles more than gas vehicles. |
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lewy2001
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I actually have The Jeep Grand Cherokee ECO diesel great vehicle it is by far the best diesel engine by a margin available in a affordable SUV in Australia.
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uk1979
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It’s the same old story...as manufactures develop super clean diesel engines we are the test drivers for them to see what works or needs more improvements, as for MB sprinter 3.5 ton first gen 5pot 2.9L turbo diesel engine regularly run well over 500k with an mpg around 25 to 30 now super clean 4 pot 2.148L twin turbo (small and bigger one to cut lag) mpg around 30 to 36 can fail as low as 100k big ends seem to be the problem on pot 3 or 4. Things I found running them, they do indeed run much hotter, oil change every 6 week on high mileage vehicles as even top grade oil is trashed by the heat, super clean diesel hate short journeys and will fail sooner and block the exhaust DPF (diesel particulate filter) as most work by regeneration process triggered by sensor taking pressure front and back of filter the ECU will then using the electronic injectors to operate on the exhaust stroke only if the exhaust gas temp is high enough to burn the particles in the filter which will fill slowly with some of the ash, as you can see short journey they just soot up to the point they block up stress the engine more or stop it. Take the dpf off and have it cleaned at around 100k or the stealer ship will tell you it needs replacing MB cat and filter unit £1500.00 cleaned £120. I’m sure in time things will improve with super clean diesel, as we go on to 300k I can still run my finger round the tail pipe with no black soot. On the up side I pay half the road tax each year £150 and can drive into London , pre 2002 old diesel vans £275 a day. MB use this engine in many of their cars. |
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Steveeyedoc
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These old Dodge Rams are nice for pulling out on the road, but a pain to maneuver at a tight boat ramp. Used to use a Ford Bronco, it was just the opposite. |
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63 Skier
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Nice 216!!! What year?
You say "old" Ram, how about the year/details on the truck, hard to see what it is in the picture. Doesn't look too old. Welcome to CCF. |
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Steveeyedoc
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It is an 06. I bought it last summer. An older gentleman ordered it new to try to get his grandkids interested in skiing and wakeboarding. It didn't work so he finally traded it in on a new pontoon. It only has 130 hrs. I was able to get a good deal as everyone around here either wants a pontoon or a dedicated wake/surf boat. Additionally, no one would look at it because it didn't have a tower which is fine with me. I had an older Malibu and the build quality, materials, and fit and finish of the Nautique is orders of magnitude better. i should have made the change long ago.
The truck is an 05 Quad cab. It is still in pretty good shape for its age. It has the Hemi and one would think it would be a great tow truck. The problem is that the gear ratios let the rpms get a little too high at highway seeds in "tow" and it shifts constantly in regular overdrive. If you were going to use it for lots of highway hauling, the diesel would be the way to go. Thankfully I only have to go about a quarter of a mile to the ramp. The old boat was red and white, so I guess I need to trade for a black truck to keep the fashion police off my back. I have already used CCF a lot. It is a great resource and being able to tap into everyones knowledge and experience on various topics is priceless. |
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63 Skier
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With these newer, smaller displacement V-8's (yes, I consider the mighty hemi 5.7 to still be a relatively small V8) they need to rev to tow well. My 5.3 in my Tahoe is the same way, if you are used to low end lugging torque these aren't the engines for that. Let them wind up into their power band and they really do quite well. My tow mode holds the 6 speed tranny in 5th which helps, but like you say at 65 plus mph it's going to be winding pretty good. Won't hurt it a bit though, turn up the radio and drive!
Love the looks of your 216, that's the 8 year newer version of my boat, I assume same hull but not sure of that. |
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Adaptivelimb
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Diesel Baby!!!
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skutsch
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That is a REALLY nice looking boat, trailer and truck!
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Adaptivelimb
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Thanks, I think it is a nice looking package too. The diesel pulls wonderfully also. Get 28-31 mpg on the highway. Cant wait to see what I get under load.
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lewy2001
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That makes 3 of us with the JGC Eco diesel
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If you're going through hell, keep going
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Adaptivelimb
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Is that a Trail rated Trailer? Definitely a job for the diesel! What MPG do you get towing the sport? Also, Mine is a Ski!
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81nautique
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Adaptive, I have a JGC Ecodeisel also, towing my close to 5000# 200 sport I get between 15 and 18 on a regular basis. I've gotten over 20 pulling the Hurricane which is about 1000# lighter. It is a pulling machine and wants to go to work.
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lewy2001
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Adaptive I get 12-13l/100 klms towing the Sport which is about 18-19 mpg.
The trailer is "trail rated" we often use it as a grader to take the humps out of the ramp My recent US visitors were surprised by our ramps down under and I did not even take them on the back road ramp. Hopefully we will get some rain before next season so we can use the new concrete extension they have added to the existing ramps. But they will not come into play until around 25% we are currently at 5% of dam capacity. |
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If you're going through hell, keep going
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SWANY
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new truck to me back in February. Hoped the combo would have looked a little better together.... |
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quinner
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Look at you Fancy Pants Joel.....Nice Rig!!
We picked up the 206 from Kutsch last night, Maddie did all the driving/towing, she did great, prepping her for our trip back East this summer. |
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hansenindustries
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Here's old faithful! 2001 Yukon XL Denali 6.0 V8 AWD. |
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quinner
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Is that Aunt Edna in the bag up on the roof??
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