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jbear
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Posted: January-18-2007 at 10:10pm |
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Paul; I know I am gonna regret saying this but......Beer a$$istants and "Got Wood" in the same post may be pushing the boundries of good taste.
Hows the weather by the way? john |
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67nautique312
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Chopper........Thx for the compliment!! I wish i had one like yours though!!!! The wowmen seem to like the modern conveniences of "The Newer Boats"Wanna trade?
Wood.....its really there and not a figment of your imagination!! Got Wood??? Jbear.....Those are the "Beer a$$istants" I talked about. David.....Man what a find that is!!!Beautiful boat!! Paul, |
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67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
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NAUTI84
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Wow David T, I think I'm in love .
Very nice! |
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Dtaylor373
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Thanks,jbear, I guess there may have been a little luck in finding her, but who cares. I have had several nice boats and sold them all, but I believe the 78, is here to stay.
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jbear
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dtaylor; Awesome lookin' boat! Looks just like my first one, a '78. Aren't those front windows cool? How did you ever find one with only 3oo some hours?
john |
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8122pbrainard
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Nautique312, Although not original, I must compliment you on your work. Tastefully and well done.
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jbear
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Wood: I don't see it either and I have been checking very closely.
john |
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62 wood
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hey Paul,
Ive been looking for a long time...where is that Correct Craft emblem you keep talking about on the back of your boat? |
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Chopper
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312,
That ride looks awsome. |
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882001
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kemah texas
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882001
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as long as its done in good taste mods are cool. |
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kemah texas
1988 skinautique "2001" |
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Dtaylor373
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360 Hours bought from the orginal owner 3 months ago. Been detailed out, and seats redone. Engine cover is orginal, owner bought a new one from Correct Craft in 79 after he did damage to the one in the boat, got it when I bought the boat, he had never put it on.
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67nautique312
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Ok here we go.......
1)Changed paint 2)motor is no longer original(8122 I removed the side drafts and installed a Blue thunder intake,portmatched and ported and pollished intake and exhaust valves,Also all new coil and elec. ignition instead of points.) I did keep all original parts to the motor.see first pic. 3)Motor cover is off of an early mustang of same era......I needed it for clearance and also had to add a base plate for extra clearance as seen in picture.see pic. #2 4)Also the correct craft emblems on back sides of boat i only had one on one side so..... i filled the holes and moved it to the back of the boat in the middle.see pic. #3 5)Added speakers and stereo system amps ect. ect. So i guess that mine is really far from original but close enough and serves the puposses that i need and still have that cla$$ic boat feel. The good thing about it is that i still have all the original parts to put it back if i needed to. Really this is what the end result is for me......to have Fun while i can!see pic. #4 I still want to add a swim plattform to it? If i could get my hands on an old barracuda SS i think i would make it all original this time. 8122....here is a pic. also of the motor if you want to see it? |
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nautiquefanatic
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It only takes a few seconds to see in the diaries section that I like my boats as original as possible. There is a reason for that......I love these boats as they were built. Don't get me wrong, I do have my preferences and I currently own exactly what I like. It only takes a few minutes to "customize" something, but may take years to put it back original if you or anyone else ever wanted to. True, as I have used and enjoyed these boats over my lifetime, there are changes that could have been made to make the boats more "comfortable", or pa$$enger friendly. But one must remember that the boats that I personally like are the Ski Nautique, Barefoot Nautique, and Ski Tique......and these were designed and built for one reason........TO PULL SKIERS. No drink holders, no coolers, no radio, basically no B.S. to get in the way. I like it like that, just a personal thing. I don't think there is anything wrong with working on the engines.....stronger, more h.p., etc.....I need to do more of these upgrades myself. Not a single one of my boats have a drink holder, a built in cooler, or a radio. I prefer to either listen to the sound of the engine exhaust or the gentle slapping of water against the hull while sitting still with engine off.
I will have to say that I prefer ORIGINAL! Just my personal preference. nautiquefanatic |
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Riley
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If the boat's is in decent original condition, it ought to be kept that way. If it's so bad that everything has to be replaced, than it may not be practical to restore it to original condition. Some mods just aren't right though, like cutting holes in the dash or deck for stereos or cup holders.
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nautique frk
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I like to keep any that I own as original as possible depending on what kind of shape the boat is in when I get it. I have seen some nice custom work done on these boats as well.
I have also seen some that when I look at them I think .... look what some idiot did ??? Nautique Frk |
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Riley
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I think the cla$$ic is identical to the Barracuda. On the 2 Barracuda's, the deck is different, the hull is probably the same. It is wider. Instead of being pretty flat right out to the sheer rail, it goes out and angles down and extends farther out from the hull. I learned this from owning a 67 Barracida years ago and ordering a cover from the factory and being asked which hull we had. |
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skicat
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Hey Paul (67nautique312)
I hear you about being drunk when you thought about putting on a tower, but weren't you probably drunk when you decided not to as well? |
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70CC
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What does a long hull Barracuda look like? I thought they all had basically the same hull and deck from 65 to 70.
Also, is the Barracuda hull identical to the cla$$ic? looks like CC just removed the divider behind the front seat to make the Barracuda. |
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8122pbrainard
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312, Great looking boat. Fill me in on the coaming under the engine hatch. Did CC put it in to raise the hatch so a downdraft carb would fit under it or was it added at a later date? I have the 312 with the Carter side drafts and am aware that Interceptor made the engine with a downdraft but don't know which was used by CC in 67.
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67nautique312
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At one point i thought of putting a tower on mine.......but.....just couldn't do it.....i must have been drunk at the time
Keep it original!!!! that's my Vote. |
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Chopper
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G'day 69, If you had the 1st made, or the last left in existance of anything, then, indeed it would be a special thing. I just used cars as an example as there make more cars than boats, which means there are more "specials" around. That also means that would be much less boat "specials" made. Personaly I would draw the line in the sand and say that anything prior to the "2001" hull (1982?) possibly even a little further back (mid 70's) could be considered cla$$ic. From the "2001" onwards they seem to be typical production line boats where the customer ticks the option box, & that's all they made. I know they made a Silver Nautique" which was a special, but that's about it. Just my thoughts. |
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8122pbrainard
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Brian, Sierra boat is someplace I want to go to someday since I have heard everthing about it. We do have some good old boat shops here in the midwest too but not as famous. Of coarse I would not want to go to any of them without any money since I know I would need to buy something!!
69, I agree since some of the older "cla$$ics" are already in short supply. Drawing the line at what is "cla$$ic" remains the problem and is complicated with personal taste. |
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69 Mustang
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Hi Chopper,
While I don't disagree with you, your post made me wonder what the group thinks about these two situations: Say that run-of-the-mill 1962 belair was the first one off the a$$embly line - is it still simply a nice old car? Say the run-of-the-mill 1962 belair you have is the last one left - is it still simply a nice old car? What if one day your great-grandchild discovers your old 98 SN is the last one left? No value judgement about what anyone does with what they own, just curious. |
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SkiBum
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well put chopper
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Chopper
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My thoughts are: It's "old" versus "cla$$ic"
What defines a cla$$ic.? Is it the age of the vessel.? Is it the model.? Is it rare.? My thoughts are that there has to be something particular about either a specific boat, or about that model boat. I'll use cars to explain my analogy. (I'm using my limied knowledge of US cars here, so forgive me it I stuff it up.) Take two 1962 Chevs in factory original condition. One is a belair with the 289, the other a bubble top with the 409. Now both are worth something, but the belair is simply a nice old car. It is the bubble top that is the cla$$ic because it was a special production of limited numbers etc. If the same two cars were being restored, you could get away with modifying the belair, but modifications to the bubble top will detract from its original significance. Now compare that to a mid 80's Chev Eldarado. It could be the most factory condition eldarado in the world, but at the end of the day, what is special about it.? Is it worth anything.? Getting back to boats, I have a 98 SN. If it's still around in 2048, will it become cla$$ic.? I doubt it, because there is nothing special about it. In my opinion, cla$$ic correct crafts are boats that were factory specials that were different from the standard production model. Made from special materials, ie wood. Or even if there are very few of a particular model left. These types of vessels "should" (IMO) be restored to factory "like" specs to keep the heritage going. I also believe the factory should actively encourage this for their heritage sake. For anything else, do what you like. It won't overly effect the value of the boat. The main reason I see for modification is to cater for your needs. |
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Riley
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That's a short hull Barracuda. |
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jbear
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Brian: Nice thread, very interesting.
john |
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bkhallpass
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Hey Pete,
Have you ever visited the Sierra Boat Company in Lake Tahoe? They do some great work retoring old cla$$ics. Not only the woodwork, but they are known for putting back together original engines. As you mentioned, quite an effort when you have to make the parts. BKH |
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8122pbrainard
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Brian, I just got back from a Blackhawk chapter ACBS outing to see the progress of the restoration progress of a 1898 85' lake Geneva "lake" launch. It had been converted from steam to the present engine which is a 1200 C.I. 6 cly. Lathrop. Talk about making "outdated" work, the restorer has had to have a pattern made and is having the cylinders re-cast. (they are individual cylinders) Yes, part of the fun is to make the old work. In the case of the Carter AF side drafts I think they were a great idea and save probably 6" in engine height. They have performed flawlessly for me on a boat that stock does 64.
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