Detached Garage

8122pbrainard wrote: [QUOTE=bb12]] I wouldn't use the stuff on a dog house!!

X2. It's garbage and people that think its great just don't know the bad side of yet.

8122pbrainard wrote: bb12 wrote: I'd go with Hardie fiber cement shake shingles on the gable ends. They look great and you won't have to worry about maintenance. Hardie Shake Shingles You had better read the reviews!!! Lot's of problems with the Hardie siding products. I just had a customer in the HD the other day with issues Busting at the holes and falling off! Read all about the complaints and problem I wouldn't use the stuff on a dog house!!

Interesting... I knew there were some issues with some of the fiber cement sidings, but didn't realize Hardie was that bad. What about LP Smartside/engineered wood? Better yet, what kind of shake shingle would Pete use on a dog house?

Interesting... I knew there were some issues with some of the fiber cement sidings, but didn't realize Hardie was that bad. What about LP Smartside/engineered wood? Better yet, what kind of shake shingle would Pete use on a dog house? [/QUOTE]

All My experience with the LP smartsiding is its just like the fiber cement, even if all joints and exposed ends are painted or treated with something per their requirements they all still absorbs moisture. I see alot these products rot much quicker than the manufacturer's expected live span. I always tell customers, wood should not be outside. Vinyl and PVC for the long haul.

Man, you guys are spending some money! Woo hoo!

Cedar shakes in the gable will be vinyl same as on the house. The pool structure is more of what I'd call a cabana. It's a roof with a wall across the back, but there are no other walls or any type of enclosure. No bathroom under that roof.

I agree with most all of the comments about building it bigger, but i think it's just going to need to stay the 20x28. It just gets too close to the house for our liking to make it wider plus there's the cost to consider. I'm never putting 2 boats or a boat AND a car in this garage. The space unused by the boat, will be a small space for me to piddle. The side setbacks are a firm 20' and my neighbor is going to ensure that I don't violate that policy.

I'm very appreciative of the comments. I expected most to suggest making it wider, but fellas, this will be so much better than anything I've ever had for storage and piddling, I just don't see much regret in building it this way. This is probably a 10-15 year house for my family. Who knows what the next chapter will hold for boats, storage, piddling. If the worst I can say about it is that it should've been bigger, well that's not a terrible problem to have. Maybe I can build the next one bigger, but the men in my family all tell me that no matter how big it is, I'll wish it was bigger.

Steve
I had a 24x28 at my old place and it worked ok (I wanted 26 x 32 but others objected) the final size worked out pretty good - I think somewhere the site there are pictures of the garage. I opted for conventional framing with an 8/12 roof pitch to permit storage upstairs.
I also by-passed the micro lam beam and went with a W16 x 40 to support the second floor framing and permit the occasional hoisting from the beam.

I will see if I can find the pictures of the garage and link them in. I have a set of the plans and will try to get them scanned and send to you if you like

Steve, have you considered making the new structure into one of those micro houses, moving into it with the family, and turning the house into boat and car storage and man cave and work shop? Seems sensible to me.

You are 100% right, you'll love having a space like that! I rented an office with a storage bay in back about 2 years ago, have 2 boats side by side with enough room to walk between, still have enough length to work on stuff, stick my plow inside at times. I measured and it's 19'4" wide.

Swatkinz wrote: Thoughts?

Dang Steve, I have looked and looked at this photo of your home and for the life of me, I can't tell where the wheels where on this doublewide trailer. The cement pond also adds a nice touch.

Nice job.

Donald   

JoeinNY wrote: Swatkinz wrote: Maybe I can build the next one bigger, but the men in my family all tell me that no matter how big it is, I'll wish it was bigger. A well thought out and set up 20x28 boat storage house is a huge luxury.

That's how you start out, but after a few years it looks like this if it's not big enough.

Thanks Quinner

and the silhouette cutout of CQ looks to be spot on

peter1234 wrote: is that a mopar or nova fender/headlight? and whats under the over? c6 vette?

I was wondering what was under there as well.

Is that a Pepsi can on the workbench all the way at the back of the building? Is it full or empty?

Donald,

My 'boat shed' is 25' x 40'. I was gun shy about a deed restriction limiting detached garages, hence the 'shed.'   If I did it again, I would go bigger.   

With a couple other projects, I have learned that set back limits were made to be challenged. You just need to go through the process and play by their rules.   Unless you are in a hurry, I would attempt for the variance, with the understanding that the worst case is you will need to default to the prescribed set-back. Make sure you exit this process as buddies with the building department.   Risk is probably a few hundred bucks in extra fees and a few hours of your time.

One thing I did do was to run pex in the slab for radiant heat. I was thinking I would eventually put a small water heater out there to keep things above freezing.    After I built this 'shed' I realized that by chance it was perfectly oriented for solar.   I bought used solar water panels and installed a drain-back system to heat the slab.   This morning it was 17 degrees outside and 42 degrees in the shed. This comes at the cost of running a 90 watt circulation pump when the sun is shines.

I realize that heating a detached garage may not be a big concern in NC, but if it were me, I would plan to install enough solar (water) on the back of that garage to cover 100% of your domestic hot water demand for your house. I would divert a small portion of this to keep the garage above freezing in the winter, and dump any excess to the pool in summer.   

This, and if I did it again I would install iron lengthwise and crosswise for hoists. (and if funds allow, . . I would install a lift or at least make provisions for a future lift).   .. . and maybe a floor drain.

8122pbrainard wrote: 93xs2003@gmail.com wrote: .. . and maybe a floor drain. Steve, I would question the floor drain even if allowed by local codes, Petroleum products entering a septic, French drain, sanitary and or a storm drain is not good and potentially dangerous. What I did on the house garage I just finished is install a no outlet grated sump in the middle of the garage with the slab pitched to it. It's 24 x 48 x 10 deep. It certainly will not handle washing a vehicle but will handle the snow melt off the cars. The basic intent is to keep water from running down towards and under the OH doors. Up here, the water will freeze an OH door to the slab!!

Pete, I like your idea but maybe take it one step farther.. Install an RV dump valve in the pit and connect it to a downspout drain under ground. Just open the valve to drain runoff water. Kinda covert style.    Duane.   

Have you considered building a combo pool house and garage on the other side of the property? You could build an entertainment side facing the pool and then combine that with a much larger space for boats and cars.

A tall structure with a 10 foot garage door running with a ridge line perpendicular to the main house and taking the roof line down on pool side to 7 foot would make for a nice overhang sheltered area facing the pool.

You could combine the extra driveway with pavers to create a large pool deck combination as it wraps behind the house. You've got room for this over there,
And there's nothing in view from the front (neighbors) so no need to waste money on brick or shake shingles. I picture something 40 x 30.