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    Posted: May-01-2017 at 12:20pm
My fuel gauge reads empty when the tank is 1/3 full, which is about 9 gallons of fuel.. I took the sender out of the tank to test it. The range and length of the arm correspond to the level in the tank. The float is about 1-2 inches from the bottom of the tank when the gauge reads empty. The float is near the top of the tank and the arm is horizontal when the gauge reads full. When I reinstalled the sender in the tank, it read 1/4 full when the tank was a little over 1/2 full. Any ideas how this could be? I don't suppose the float could have lost buoyancy.
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Yes the float can absorb fuel and get heavier and the wiper can wear also. If you decide to change these are the way to go.
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

If you decide to change these are the way to go.


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Originally posted by winniskier winniskier wrote:

My fuel gauge reads empty when the tank is 1/3 full, which is about 9 gallons of fuel.. I took the sender out of the tank to test it. .

Jim,
Getting Ohm readings with the VOM is best for testing. It sounds like you used the gauge to test so hopefully you don't have a gauge rather than sender problem. If you don't have a VOM, a basic one is around $20.00 They really come in handy troubleshooting electrics in the boat, car and even the house. Get a VOM and test the sender before assuming it's the problem and not the gauge.
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Jim,
If you do get a VOM and test the sender, the Ohm reading will be linear from about 33 to 240 with the 33 will be the empty reading.
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Jim,
If you do get a VOM and test the sender, the Ohm reading will be linear from about 33 to 240 with the 33 will be the empty reading.


Pete I don't know what he has for a gauge setup but your numbers are backwards for a 33 to 240 ohm gauge.

33 ohms would be full and 240 ohms would be empty on American applications, it's an industry standard

If you ground the sending unit with the key on, the gauge should go to full.

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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Jim,
If you do get a VOM and test the sender, the Ohm reading will be linear from about 33 to 240 with the 33 will be the empty reading.


Pete I don't know what he has for a gauge setup but your numbers are backwards for a 33 to 240 ohm gauge.

33 ohms would be full and 240 ohms would be empty on American applications, it's an industry standard

If you ground the sending unit with the key on, the gauge should go to full.


Ken,
Yup, you are correct. I'm backwards this morning! In any case, as mentioned, getting the VOM out to testes the sender only.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

.............. getting the VOM out to testes .........


That sounds uncomfortable...........

and +4 on the WEMA sender - Mention my name and CCFan to WEMA and there might be a discount....(it was an old promotion for CCFan buy).
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I hear what you are saying regarding VOM testing the sender. However, the sender operated properly when it was outside the tank. Doesn't that confirm what VOM testing would confirm? What would cause the difference is performance of the sender inside vs outside the tank other than the float?
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You've never mentioned whether this is something new or if it's always read wrong.

Here are some instructions for a Moeller universal fuel sender that probably resembles yours
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If it's never been right, you probably need to follow the section on adjusting floating arm length based on the depth of your tank.

Not quite related to this but it would be nice if you started your threads with some info like what boat you're talking about, it makes it easier to get help
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Swing arm floats in a boat vary quite a bit. The reed switch WEMAs are the way to go. Since it is out (which can be a pain to do), replace it with a less variable, bullet-proof one. All done and it will measure as you expect. They swing arm styles have way too much potential for fussiness.
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Here's a thread from last year about the reed switch senders.

I have one that's decently accurate like Air206's.,

Looks like JQ's wasn't so accurate.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Here's a thread from last year about the reed switch senders.

I have one that's decently accurate like Air206's.,

Looks like JQ's wasn't so accurate.
thread


The accuracy of mine is not the sender, but rather the fact that the specific unit I got should really be 1 inch longer. Then, the accuracy would be fine. It reads about 1/4 "off" because of the 1 inch too short issue.

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I am planning on buying a new WEMA sender. The tank measures 11.8 inches on the outside. An inside measurement is not feasible. Anyone know the length I should get for my '97 Nautique?
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