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Cheiz 
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 Topic: 93 Excel Tranny IssuePosted: August-04-2018 at 11:54pm |
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Been a while since I posted for issues with my boat which is a good thing.
Got to surf for a bit but then when I did a stop and restart and put into gear it just rev'd. Got a tow home then change the stuffing nut and tried again and the same thing happend, put into gear and didn't go anywhere. Do I need a rebuild on the Walters Drive tranny? Thanks |
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Posted: August-07-2018 at 11:59am |
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Does anyone know the Walters Independent Vdrive model number and ratio for this 93 Excel with 351 GT40?
http://daccodetroit.com/Walters/walters%20page%202.htm |
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rolleronariver
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Posted: August-08-2018 at 7:42pm |
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Is it trying to shift into gear? If not, you might check your linkage on your shifter cable. It might not be shifting into gear due to a broke cable. That would be an easy fix.
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Posted: August-08-2018 at 7:47pm |
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Also, make sure prop is properly seated on your shaft and not just spinning. If you can see your carter pin then that can be a good indication.
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Posted: August-08-2018 at 7:53pm |
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Posted: August-08-2018 at 7:59pm |
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What I meant by that was that I hit something in our boat last summer. I knew something was bad wrong after I hit it and the boat wouldn't go. We got back and got it loaded and you could tell the prop got knocked off the seat and the carter pin was shredded as the prop became unseated and spun over it. I wish I had pics, A new prop, shaft alignment check and a new pin all seated properly and we were good to go. |
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Posted: August-08-2018 at 8:09pm |
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Cotter pin shredded or was it the key?
Cotter pin:  Key stock:  I have a feeling the prop was never lapped properly to the shaft. Was it? |
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Posted: August-08-2018 at 8:59pm |
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I meant key stock. Sorry. It’s been a long day and I’m still at the office but no, I seriously doubt that it was lapped properly from the previous owner. But it is now!
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Posted: August-08-2018 at 10:07pm |
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Posted: August-10-2018 at 9:18am |
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My boat is at "The Boat Shop" at Lake Anna and he thinks that it might be the DAMPER DRIVE PLATE (302/351), WARNER GEAR VELVET DRIVE 1:1 & 1.52:1, PCM # R140001 (thanks Townsend from NP...I bought it yesterday and he overnighted it to the shop) but he is going to pull the Vdrive/Trans to check them.
Crossing my fingers its just this damper drive plate and nothing else.. |
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Posted: August-17-2018 at 9:47am |
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Well good news, it was the damper drive plate, here are pictures of the old triangular one and the carnage, yikes. Good thing I didn't stopped immediately before I damaged something else.
Thanks to Rob/Andy at The Boat Shop in Lake Anna, VA. OLD   NEW 
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Posted: August-17-2018 at 10:51am |
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Trying to figure out cost, does anyone one know about how many hours it takes to take out the tranny/Vdrive transmission?
4.5 hours taking out and 4.5 hours putting back in sound right to you guys? |
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: August-17-2018 at 5:04pm |
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 $211.40!! $100 from Ebasic power Plus this plate is a Sachs!!
The out hours seems high but the in considering an alignment is about right for a marina. |
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Posted: August-22-2018 at 9:46am |
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Thanks 8122pbrainard....wish I would have new that sooner on the Flex Plate, well at least it's a PCM part.
I thought so too on the hours but it looks like they pulled the Vdrive/transmission all together, here is the invoice, let me know what you think. 
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Posted: August-22-2018 at 10:43am |
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I'm curious since I never have had anyone else work on my boats, but is there a "book" time like automotive work vs actual time?
And another question,does an Excel use a PCM trans? I thought a PCM has a different spline count so the above damper would not fit? |
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Posted: August-22-2018 at 11:45am |
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There is (warranty) book time from the MFG which is usually a little light.
All Excel V drives used a Borg Warner trans. |
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Posted: August-22-2018 at 2:37pm |
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If the Tech took that long I would fire him for sleeping on the job.
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Posted: August-22-2018 at 4:19pm |
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@woodyelc
Are ya sure about that buddy boy!! 30 year old boat! lots of cans of worms on that one!! under the greatest conditions a 7 hour job when you include the water test.. |
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
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Posted: August-22-2018 at 4:27pm |
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Let me get my popcorn here... I am a hobbyist so I cannot play, except to say the one time I did an excel Vdrive R&R - I thought it was considerably more of a pia than a direct drive.
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Posted: August-22-2018 at 5:36pm |
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I've got the Orville popping!  Woody, When was the last time you crawled in, under and over one of them back there to do an alignment? 
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