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Thanks Gary and I thought The Supra Stringer job was a PITA. I will work something out . Its good to know what they had in mine . The previous owner did all the demolition so I never saw it before. There is no way this boat will ever be as clean as yours.
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What they originally did Mike was to foam the boat then they laid a layer of glass over the top of everything which sealed it all up. Then that fiberglass pan goes in on top of all that. Here is a picture of my floor you can see where I took out all the foam when I got it in '89. I cut out that top layer of fiberglass but did not cut it flush to the stringers and cross members. There is only one place up in the seating area where there is anywhere close to a foot of unsupported floor. So to protect the fiberglass pan from damage I used that 5 ply underlayment soaked in cpes then epoxy and cloth covered. Supports the floor very well. In the area where the seat tracks screw down, I cut extra pieces of the 5 ply and buttered them underneath to really give the screws something to really hold to.





One area that causes trouble though is where this arrow is pointing. When Correct Craft laid the glass over the foam they gelled it in this area so it blended in with the floor pan. You pull out the foam like I did or replace the stringers like you, this spot will be open. The support floor I put in you can see where I colored the spot that is exposed in that picture above. You will have to figure out how you'll work around this.



This is the final result-

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Thanks Gary I just needed to know how long it is. So the foam is supposed to hold up fiberglass floor. I think I will add some cross bracing . The stringer material is inside the heated basement shop it will be quite some time until they are ready to be coated with CPES.
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Measurements? You don't need no stinking measurements. Just make it fit the hole you now have If you really need them I can get them,here are the pictures-





This is an underside picture of that panel with the old plywood removed. It is used to provide support since that panel is removable and has no foam under it. I replaced it with two 1/4" 5ply underlayment    CPES'd and bonded to the bottom of the panel. If you look close you can see the lip around the front edge and part way down the side. This makes it looked more finished when its installed. The part of the panel that does not have the lip is under the seat so it's not seen.

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Mike,
The SYP should be fine. Just make sure you do a good CPES job on it and maybe an extra layer of glass on the sides. That will compensate for the strength of the SYP VS: the DF.

Do you have a moisture meter? I suggest seeing what the moisture content of the SYP is.


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I am missing the section of floor behind the engine cover . Does anyone have any pics of what is supposed to be there and maybe some measurements.

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I decided to put the floor, rear seat and engine cover back on while I had the engine somewhat set in place. Everything went well until I put the engine cover back on . It hits the vent on the valve cover and both exhaust manifold risers. So do I stick with the 86 manifolds with 3'' exhaust ? That will require big modifications to both the hull and engine cover. Or put the 68 exhaust manifolds on with 2.5'' exhaust no modifications needed to engine cover or hull. has anybody ran a 351 with 289 manifolds?







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Well my Doug fur source fell through they said even if they could get it it would be very costly. So I went with Southern Yellow Pine . I picked the boards with hardly any knots and straight grain. Probably wont last forever but neither will I.

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Mike,
Since you're dropping the 351 in the hull, I'd go with the 3". Enlarging the holes in the transom and finding new 3" tips should be pretty easy.


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Another question The original engine came with exhaust manifolds with a 2.5'' exhaust opening . The 351 has 3'' . I don't know if I should go with the original and chance restricted exhaust or go with the 3'' and boar out the hull openings.



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Got It I will check tomorrow.
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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

is there a set distance between the strut and the prop I used the rub marks on the shaft to get me close.

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The "rule of thumb" has been one shaft diameter but some like less. The less distance means less overhung load and that means less load on the shaft One thing to watch out for is prop clearance to the hull. As the prop is moved forward, the clearance is reduced.


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Made some headway today . Set new 351 in the boat to check alignment so I can see if the original stringer design will work with the new engine and mounts without modification. . The good news is the distance between the stringers is the same on both boats and as far as I can see it should line up with the prop shaft. Only question is there a set distance between the strut and the prop I used the rub marks on the shaft to get me close. I don't have a pattern to copy since the engines are different and there are multiple holes in the stringers from the old engine. Not important now but will be needed after new stringers are installed and engine is installed. More good news I think I solved the picture posting problem.





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I heard the Atlanta boat show is going to be much smaller and in building A because of the Superbowl . Sounds like a good year to take off.
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Not much to look at now just cleaned and dry. I have to set the 351 in it and see if any mods have to be done to the existing stringer set up to accept the 351 . Should be fine small block ford to small block ford. From there it will move into the basement where its climate controlled . That work thing keeps getting in the way I worked my A$$ off in November so I am hoping to take some serious time off now till next year.
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Sounds like you've been a busy boy Mikey.... When time allows Heather and I will have to make a trip up there and see whatcha got. I know a guy so I might even be able to bring a stringer rebuild care package with me.
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Well I finally tracked down a lumber yard that can order Doug fur they stock southern yellow pine . They couldn't give prices on the DF until Monday but they warned it wont be cheap. I am going to go there Monday and look at the pine . They said it is grade A so if it doesn't have any large knots I may go with it. Realistically if the boat only lasts 20 years and not 50 I think that will be fine. I am working on getting pics from my phone to the forum I intend to fully document the build for all to see and advise on procedure.
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Originally posted by emccallum emccallum wrote:

read the whole thread hoping for some great stringer pictures.............


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Originally posted by emccallum emccallum wrote:

read the whole thread hoping for some great stringer pictures.............


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read the whole thread hoping for some great stringer pictures.............
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I think its the Flowery Branch location . They have never been very helpful . They are more concerned with closing aisles and stocking the shelves than customer service. They once told me to leave a closed aisle and wait for them to stock the shelve . I went to lowes.

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The SOP for blocking isles during store open hours is only to retrieve or down stock items that a customer is waiting for. There are times when say a contractor calls in an order say for drywall or lumber and he's on his way to pick it up that we will close down isles. Safety is a major concern at the HD and strictly enforced especially after Menards killed a customer. He was in a isle behind where a fork lift was operating and the fork lift pushed a pallet of tile down the opposite isle. It's the reason we have to block the two isles. The one where stocking is done with lift equipment and the isle behind.


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Thanks Pete you have been very helpful.
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Pete, is there a down side to leaving it 1-3/4?

No, there isn't as long as the extra thickness is to towards the hull sides leaving the same distance between the mains for the engine.


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Pete, is there a down side to leaving it 1-3/4?
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Jack,
Thanks for the reply and explanation.

For those of you that have those fancy phones, and use all those fancy features, there is a Home Depot app that may help you find items. I see customers using it frequently. BTW, my cell phone only makes phone calls!!


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Even though I know my store very well, I too will go to the HD web site and look up the item I'm looking for. Not so much to get a location but more so to check inventory and to see if my store even caries it. All HD's do not carry the same inventory and some may be seasonal. Like the Rhinelander store doesn't carry window air conditioners all year like Gary's down there were it's 600 degrees all year long!

I also use the buy on line and pick up in store very often especially if the item is large or not in stock. When it's available and or picked it's waiting for you up front. Small it will be at the Special Service end of if large it will be at the Pro end.

Mike, getting back on track with the thread, if you do go LVL, understand the actual thickness is 1&3/4" unlike a 2x which is 1&1/2" Also be aware that LVL's come with a water resistant coating so they can be exposed to the weather typical with construction. There are two types of coatings used. One is a wax and that needs to be aggressively belt sanded off. . The other is a clear coating similar to a poly clear wood finish. That needs just a light sanding. If you have access to a surface planer, then taking a 1/8" off each side is best plus it brings the thickness back down to the 1&1/2 like a 2x.


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I look up the aisle/shelf location/inventory status before going to HD. Saves a lot of time.

BTW, I was there once (hadn't done the presearch) & I asked the customer rep to look up an item location & they couldn't figure out how to do this!
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Sorry for the unintended thread jack. Thanks Pete for your honest concern. HD deserves the bad review I give them when I can. Will try and answer your questions.
First off, honorable discharge means you served your duty to completion honorably. After 14 months in Vietnam and with my training time included I was released from active duty with the honorable discharge.
All those released from the military get a dd214. I have that but I presented my veterans administration card that shows I am enrolled in the program that supposed to help us vets with medical issues. That's another story LOL.
Glad you brought up how your store and others don't necessarily follow corporate policy. After the CT HD discontinued my discount and was was still getting it in FL I used to take my slips from Ct and get the discount reimbursed in Fl. That's a gas.
My VA card is current and with photo ID so no replacement needed and so you can see how the HD has tarnished their image over what prolly was a well intentioned policy to begin with. It has become downright offensive.
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Funny that you brought up the layout Mike. I stopped by one of my "local" HD's (it's 50 miles away) for a toilet shut off valve. Wandered the plumbing section finally had to find someone and ask. They were not in plumbing, but rather over where the toilet display was. Was informed that there is actually 3 places in the store where they could be. Could not find the actual one I needed,didn't feel like trying to find the help again so I left. Did buy a case of Mexican Coke though so it was not a wasted stop . Not being a vet I like Menards best then HD and Lowes in that order. HD for checkouts has them all beat though with Lowes being the worse.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by juniorwoody juniorwoody wrote:

I like that Pete is supportive of his place of employment but check Lowes. Much better store and since HD took the veterans discount away from many of us and Lowes gives it unequivocally to all I really respect that. If your a vet it will save you money. Seems HD wants the military person to be either maimed or on active duty so as a Vietnam vet with an honorable discharge, I don't qualify after I once did. To give and then take back is rather insulting. Sorry Pete but the truth. Lowes is very thankful to vets and offers discount to all who serve or have served.

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Sorry to hear you have a problem with the HD BUT, you are very wrong with the vet discount at the HD. You may what to investigate why you personally had the issue. What ID did you use?

Jack,
I just got home from the morning shift. I got in this morning and after the morning readiness check for my department, I went and saw my store manager and then also talked with the head cashier. Being very concerned with your problem, I wanted to check the policy just as you recommended. The bottom line is all stores and all areas do not follow the corporate policy completely. My store doesn't follow the policy fully. It seems that the HD's asset management IT has detected fraudulent military ID's in certain areas of the country and those areas scrutinize the proper ID's. You mentioned you were honorably discharged so it sounds like you didn't serve full term. Per my store manager (also a vet) she questioned what your ID is. Is it the DD214? That's the one that can cause problems at some stores in certain areas. Was your discharge based on medical? The VA should issue you a different ID.

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