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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Brant, The $10.00 prop puller thread |
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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After a couple of tries i got the correct impeller. Ended up overpaying at a dealer, but it was quick, great people there, and the tech knew exactly what i needed when asking about a 20 year old boat.
Took the boat to the lake to test it out. Fired it up and immediately checked for water flow. There wasnt any. Pulled the pump and switched it around and got it working. I guess what i thought was the logical way of putting it back in was backwards. Anyways, let it warm up on the trailer and now i have a small water leak out of the intake manifold gasket. Guess the motor got a touch too hot with the bad impeller. I said the hell with it and took it out anyways. It isnt running 100%, but it is enough to drive around the lake and enjoy it for the summer. I plan on pulling the motor this fall and rebuilding it, so not too worried about damaging the motor. I still havent been able to pull the prop, but have a buddy working on burning out parts for the $10 prop puller. Going to take it out again tomorrow and give it another go. After I know it is somewhat reliable i need to pick up a polisher and some compound and start working on cleaning up the hull. It is dull and very dirty from me working on it and climbing in and out. Any suggestions on polishers and compound? I havent polished/buffed a boat before, but figured with some youtube education and tips from here i can figure it out. It cant get worse. Also, the carpet is nasty, and i generally dont like carpet. Anyone out there tear it out and put down sea deck or something similar? EDIT: Thinking about picking up a DUI distributor. That is something i can add now that will transfer to the new or rebuilt engine. Are they worth it? I am looking at https://performancedistributors.com/product/marine-dui-distributors/ which is what i have read in other posts. |
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zwoobah ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September-13-2018 Location: Providence RI Status: Offline Points: 308 |
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I've had good luck with a random orbital buffer, wool bonnet, and Meguiar's diamond cut compound (this was for an oxidized Whaler, not the Mustang). Start in areas with no graphics until you get a feel for it. Remember to topcoat the whole boat with wax after you finish compounding - so the oxidation doesn't come back.
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1968 Mustang 16 - 351W powered
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Quick update. I took the boat out again to cruise around this past Saturday. The starter is now staying engaged too long, or wont engage so that was interesting. The motor seems to be running stronger, and i finally got the majority of the unknown age gas out of it and put in some fresh non-ethanol. WOT seemed a little off. When i got back home i checked out the linkage. At > ~85% throttle the linkage was binding up with the secondaries so i took care of that. Might try to get out some day after work to run some more gas and some sea foam through it.
Still need to get a photo of it on the water to post up. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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A picture of what the linkage issue was and the fix for it would be good to see
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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I will get the pictures posted up this afternoon. Took it out yesterday and now that the throttle can open all the way it isnt running as good. I am thinking that the secondaries arent open because they were being jammed up before and the diaphragm is probably bad.
Also swapped out plugs, doing fuel filter today and going to check the diaphragm. Maybe i can get it locally, otherwise i will probably order one and give it another test this coming weekend. I really need to do the shaft packing. I have to run the bilge for 1-2 minutes every half hour so it is well over how much it is supposed to drip. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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A little voice in my head says your "fix" may be the reason it's not running as good.
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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![]() Here i changed the angle of the throttle cable so it can pull to WOT. It just changed the angle slightly. ![]() Here the bolt was sticking about 3/8 of an inch out the back. At close to WOT it was hitting where the red arrow is. My assumption is that was stopping the secondaries from opening and over time caused the diaphragm to go bad. I will be checking that tonight after work. |
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flyweed ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: July-11-2016 Location: WI Status: Offline Points: 549 |
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So....I noticed that "berber" carpet crap wrapped around the shaft log too. BUT..does anyone see the "shims" between the transmission and shaft coupler? Is that normal? THey almost look like pieces of 1/4" plywood or something. Maybe it's just me. Looks "odd" though.
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'93 Ski Nautique NWZ, Air Boom Tower
Drink Tonight..for tomorrow We Ride! |
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mdvalant ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: May-06-2009 Location: Bellevue, IA Status: Offline Points: 2059 |
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I'm looking for the factory tall pylon and have a shorty if you don't like the tall pole....completely understand if you want to keep it but I'm scouring the web for possible trades :) nice boat!
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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I might take you up on that. I will send a pm if i decide i want the standard one |
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mdvalant ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: May-06-2009 Location: Bellevue, IA Status: Offline Points: 2059 |
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Sounds good. Send me an email mdvalant at gmail (sorry if I type it as it should be i'll get spammed)
I don't hang out on the site much so just want to be sure I don't miss your message. |
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Took it out today to test it with new plugs, gas filter and prop. The plugs made a big difference, the prop helped with cavitation and a little holeshot. Put a loose zip tie on the secondary shaft to confirm they are not opening. I have checked the diaphram and know that it is good. Blew some compressed air through the vacuum passage and know that it is clear. What could be causing the secondaries to not be opening?
EDIT: It maxes out at about 3800 rpms at 75-80% throttle. Any more throttle and it starts bogging/dropping rpms. I am assuming this is due to the secondaries not opening and the primaries cant keep up with gas flow. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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Did you take the choke housing off so that you could remove the secondary diaphragm housing?
Assuming that you did, there should be a small cork gasket where the housing seals to the body of the carburetor. Was that there and in good shape. The plugs making a big difference may just be a band aid since the plugs are telling you a story about the rest of the engine usually indicating a problem with something like the fuel or ignition system (or rings or valve seals etc) instead of the plugs just going bad for no reason.at all. |
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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I did remove the choke to get the secondary actuator off. The gasket looked like rubber. It was there and in tact, but was flat with the mating surface. Guess that was due to being mounted for so long. I was reading another post and people were saying that usually you cant get that gasket on its own, and usually have to get it as part of a rebuild kit. There was a little goop on one of the edges that i cleaned up, but nothing that was blocking the hole into the diaphragm.
As far as the plugs, you may be right. The old ones were in bad shape and very rusty. They were also 764s vs 24s. The PO didnt maintain this boat at all. The motor will be pulled this fall and gone through. It was it rough shape when i got it. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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Being way up high in Colorado, do you know if the boat is jetted for high altitude?
On it's best day your engine is down about 15% in power and you say it's not too healthy to begin with. It could be that the secondaries aren't opening because the demand isn't there. At roughly sea level the secondaries are probably right on the edge of opening at 3800 rpm or so on a good running engine. A rebuild of the carburetor couldn't hurt I don't think I remember seeing any timing numbers both at idle and at high RPM's so that you know it's advancing properly. This could be causing your problems if it's not advancing like it should. |
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Question time for those that have rebuilt carbs. Looking at either https://www.nautiqueparts.com/product/carburetor-kit-holley-for-351-ford-engines-newer-replacement-302-s-pcm-rn0120-1/
or getting the one off the holley site for the carb. Both say they work. Anyone know if they are the exact same? Does either come with reusable gaskets? I am ordering new GFO shaft packing from NP, and guessing the carb could use a rebuild. Also, i will check the timing when i can borrow or end up buying a timing light. |
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robertbruder ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-16-2009 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 335 |
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I bought the kit off SkiDim. Part # RNO120-1 Repair Kit for my Holley 4160 on Ford 351 with PCM Headers and Velvet Drive Transmission. Mine is a 1988 Sierra Supreme though.
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Current: 1988 Sierra Supreme
Past: 1986 Correct Craft Martinique, 1984 Ski Supreme, 1984 Bare Foot Nautique |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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Since you didn't link to the Holley kit you're talking about, why don't you take a picture of the front of the carburetor showing the list number on the air horn and someone could tell you what Holley kit would be for your carburetor.
It will probably cost a fair amount less than paying for the PCM markup ![]() Here's a picture showing where to find the list number ![]() |
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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According to holley's web site search i need a 703-47 this one
Some of them look like they have rubber gaskets, this one shows cork. I know the pictures could be outdated, but wondering if someone has purchased one recently. Basically 46+shipping from holley or 50 (55-10%) from NP where i already will be ordering from. The NP one says it doesnt include the base gasket though |
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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![]() ![]() Starter was either not engaging or staying engaged, Took it off to see whats up and the gear is loose on the shaft. Is there supposed to be a spring to keep it back unless spinning? It it repairable, or just get a new one? |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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I'd get whichever one you're comfortable with, I can't imagine that Holley would be selling a kit with the old gaskets still. The blue ones aren't rubber, but some kind of non stick gasket material. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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The solenoid on top of the starter moves a lever that shoves the gear outwards when energized and when deenergized it pulls the gear back.
You 'll have to take the solenoid and the nose piece off the starter to access the lever and see what is worn. You can buy individual parts or just spring for a new Marine starter A good starter for your normal rotation engine is an Arco 70200 or anything that cross references to it. if you go the new route |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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The ink below has an exploded view of a Ford PMGR starter
It's an automotive one and the parts you'd be replacing for the gear issue aren't any different between marine and automotive link |
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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And KENO comes through again. The selenoid is beat up bad and will need to be replaced. Got it working for now if i decide to go out this weekend and dont get a new one in time.
Is there supposed to be a spring? The arm is in good shape. Im guessing it popped off which was what allowed the gear to slide back and forth. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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No spring
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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I'd buy one before the weekend. cause you know it will act up again at just the wrong time
![]() Here's a link down below to one at Advance Auto Parts or you could find it at about any parts store, maybe next day pickup if it's not in stock. Nothing "marine" about the solenoid. it's a sealed unit link |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Brant,
The return spring is inside the solenoid. |
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brantb ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May-15-2019 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Had a busy weekend. Decided to clean up some of the gel coat. I figured it would take me a few hours to do the entire boat and i was way wrong. I have never done it before and didnt realize how tough it would be.
Before: ![]() After a little progress. Worked the bow all the way through to get some much needed motivation. ![]() ![]() Final: ![]() ![]() I learned that there are very few flat surfaces on a boat. Also, it doesnt matter how much you read or the number of videos you watch, you have to do it to get a feel for it. And finally, I now understand why they charge so much to do this. Over the winter i will probably get some 500, 1k, 2k grit sandpaper and give it another go. And question time: Swapped out the shaft packing. Everything i read led me to believe that on a 176 it should be 3/16 packing. When i put it in it seemed easy, too easy. It wasnt loose in the nut, but wasnt tough to get in either. I ended up getting 4 wraps, each cut at an angle and separated by ~90*. Then tightened it up by hand until snug. Should the packing go into the nut that easy, or should I have gotten 1/4" GFO? Edited for bad grammar and spelling |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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The packing should be fine
it compresses and flattens out Don't complain about a job going easy ![]() |
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