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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Bada$$. Tanks for the assist Joe! The card gave me rug burn I pulled it out of my pocket so fast. I was looking at either replacing the entire circulation pump and housing or trying to create a new one on the CNC. |
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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Circ pump impellers aren't directional ?
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5698 |
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everyone wants to complicate things… Listen zach… I mean maybe ish. The marine parts diagrams showed a unidirectional brass looking impeller in the illustration similar to what you would find in a pcm circ pump for a small block ford – but called out the exact kit number I linked to, and the picture kit matches what he currently has. So maybe ? but is the business end of that impellor even raked or is it perfectly radial from the center? If its radial then it will pump the same in either direction, if its raked it’ll still do better than the no circ pump having engines that are running around all over the place.
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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for what its worth, when I was looking at new "Chrysler Marine Circ Pumps" they were all listed as "bi-directional". I would imagine that would include the impellor as well. On the flipside, I noticed the impellor on a car pump was flipped upside down so the flukes protruded outward instead of toward the pulley.
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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I just didn't know how they determined direction with impeller design. I would agree with you if the blades aren't raked it should work reasonably well in either direction pushing water into the block.
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Duane in Indy ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-26-2015 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 1578 |
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The rusty impeller in the video looks identical to the one in the kit. At least to me it does.
( previous statement about making on one the CNC sounds like more fun though) ![]() |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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tryathlete ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-19-2013 Location: Lake Villa, IL Status: Offline Points: 1799 |
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Yeah CNC or laser cut the blank and form up the blades—better yet just get it 3d printed—wait—it’s only $50! Chris—I’d definitely get the steel impeller e-coated. |
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Duane in Indy ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-26-2015 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 1578 |
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Make it out of S/S. Oh wait!!! We can never agree on what grade of S/S to use.. ![]() ![]() |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Depends on what decal you put on ![]() |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Duane do you rebuild water pumps? ![]() |
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Buy 2 kits, don't bother coating. Change it in 20-25 years. You won't care after that.
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Duane in Indy ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-26-2015 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 1578 |
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Never tried. |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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Duane only builds from scratch.
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Yup. That's pretty much what's going on in my world. |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Welcome to chapter 30.......The Wild World of Water Pumps
So, I ordered the OEM rebuild kit that Joe found. Thanks Joe! It turns out the parts and even the shape of the impellor are exactly the same as original. ![]() ![]() The gasket arrived crusty and broken but I'm not super concerned about that. What IS concerning, is the company that Tim found to overhaul water pumps is MIA. I was in contact with them for a week about doing the rebuild and I was ready to send them the parts. Litterally overnight, their website wend down, phone is off the hook, and no replies on their facebook page. http://arthurgouldrebuilders.com/ I'm trying to resist the urge to rebuild this thing myself. I have access to a full machine shop and 20 ton press. Has anyone ever attempted doing this? |
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7963 |
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Chris, just sent you a PM.
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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I'm also overhauling the Jabsco raw water pump. As you can see, the shielded bearings were seized. They are Hoover 77203-625 bearings. Not made anymore. However, for anyone trying to service one of these bad boys, just call your local bearing joint and tell them you need a 5/8" ID, 40mm OD, and 12mm wide shielded bearing.
Everything was just press fit and held in place with a retaining ring. ![]() |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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If anyone has a jabsco pump that they want to sell, let me know. I might need some parts if this one doesn't preform
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21196 |
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Jabsco huh? My 70-71 Chrysler’s have sherwoods. Single or dual pocket?
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Can you post a pic or jabsco pump number Chris?
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Ii have done a lot of searching and I believe it's a 17200-0000.
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Ok folks, I'm back at the promo after buying a house, getting married, and being lazy in general. I'm making this post to dig this thread out of the archives. My old computer gave up the ghost that I used to edit photos for the very particular CCF server. I'm playing with a new program to edit pics to the delight of the website.
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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I had wondered about this project thought it had been parted out.....
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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It's not far away.
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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When i left the boat last fall, I was in the middle of making new primary stringers from scratch. There were a few reasons for this, but mostly because i was adding an engine cradle and going with the "floating floor". I decided that it was smart to do a test fit of the old block and trans on the new stringers to verify alignment before permanently gluing the stringers in place. Here are a few pics of the setup. I just wanted to make sure it was close. The engine mounts on the trans were cocked a little which is why there looks to be lateral misalignment. It was a horrible process trying to wrestle the block in place by myself while being mindful to not step on the thin floor areas.
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Now for a few questions.
1. Does anyone have an extra forward engine mount.......loop.........pin.......thingy. Mine has gone missing between the machine shop, disassembly, and moving parts. ![]() 2. Can someone measure the distance from the floor to the bottom of the dash? mine seems very tight right now. Especially since i don't have cushion on the seat yet. ![]() |
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5698 |
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Normally I would horde this but I am in the middle of a shop move
However if you still need a pump you might want to pick it up https://syracuse.craigslist.org/bpo/d/sterling-chrysler/6965558200.html If not I suspect I can spare an pin thingy |
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tryathlete ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-19-2013 Location: Lake Villa, IL Status: Offline Points: 1799 |
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Frankenotter—that’ll fit in the jump seat, no problem
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