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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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I just bought another twin-engine Fish Nautique! This is number two of the three that were built. I already own the 1981, and this one is the 1983. The last one ever made (a 1986) is still out there somewhere!
This one is currently on the way to Lake Norman from New York. It should be here on Tuesday. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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I haven't seen this one in person yet, but it is supposed to have rotary engines. That'll be a new experience for me. I'm sure they'll need to be rebuilt because this boat has been sitting for about ten years. Anyone have any experience with having rotary engines rebuilt?
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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tryathlete ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-19-2013 Location: Lake Villa, IL Status: Offline Points: 1799 |
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Rotary engines. Well they’re small for one thing. Reliable to a point and they suck gas like crazy but they’re cool. Are they 13B or the 12A variants? I’m sure Mazda club enthusiasts will be of help if they need rebuilding but maybe they’re still in good shape. Unique is an understatement.
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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I have zero experience with rotary engines. Who knows? Maybe they'll fire right up.
No idea what they are yet. I'll post some pictures on Tuesday. |
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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I believe john b had experience with rotary powered boats and actually owned one at one time. He hasn't logged in though since June although it is time for a Mustang update.
Here is his profile link |
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Jonny Quest ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-20-2013 Location: Utah--via Texas Status: Offline Points: 3009 |
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I owned a couple of Mazda RX-7 cars back in the mid 1980's. These came with the Wankel Rotary Engine. I thought the engine was a great little power-plant -- though not the most economical. They were notorious for being "cold-blooded" and my cars had factory manual choke levers. I had my last RX-7 fitted with an after-market turbo and that little Japanese "Corvette" was a rocketship. I owned a Porsche 911SC at the same time, and the RX-7 with the after-market turbo was quicker 0-60.
I often wondered about running a Wankel rotary engine in a marine application as the rotary is a high revving machine. With dual rotary engines in the Fish, I'm assuming that one is "reverse rotation". Don't know if the Wankel engine works righty/lefty like a standard piston mill with just a few changes... As far as rebuilding...I believe that the apex seals for the rotors are typical major wear items for the Wankel. Don't know what rebuild kit availability is 30 years later... Cool project. JQ |
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tryathlete ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-19-2013 Location: Lake Villa, IL Status: Offline Points: 1799 |
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Mazda Rotary tech forum
I’m sure this link is a decent place to find some information. I drove a Cartech Turbo 13B Mazda at a driving school (it was a student’s car) and it inspired greatness. |
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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Well, this boat arrived this evening. It is very cool, but it is in pretty rough shape.
The engines are rotary 175c engines, which is kinda cool, but they are in rough shape, and will definitely need rebuilds. Floor is fairly solid, but I am assuming the stringers are likely in need of replacement. It appears to have been stored outside for the last ten years or so unfortunately. The trailer is the original 1983 Correct Craft 5-T-DV, modified at the factory for a twin-engine boat. It is in decent shape, and the wheels, tires and bearings are new. One outstanding thing about this boat is the documentation that came with it. EVERYTHING seems to be there from the original owner's manual, to the engine manual for the original PCM V6 engines, all warranty cards from 1983, and even a signed letter from Walt Meloon appraising the boat in 1985. The receipt for the rotary engines from 1998 is there, and lots of other maintenance receipts. Not sure what I am goin to do with this one yet. It is a little more of a project than I was hoping, but it is an important piece of Nautique/Correct Craft history. |
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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1993R ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: July-27-2005 Location: Hawthorne, FL. Status: Offline Points: 52 |
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I used to race cars and have owned a couple of Rx-7's
Rotor motors are light but put out most HP at high rpms Not much torque If they overheat your done. Apex seals and rotor housings are huge wear items. Rotor housings are hard to find replacement items. We operated the 12b/13b motors with a small amount of oil in the gas to help the apex seals longevity. I would look at putting the straight 6's back in the boat if thats what came with it. That's my .02c Looking forward to watching the restoration |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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I too would be inclined to go back to the 6's. Where they straights or V's? PCM's? What were they? I'd look at keeping the Hurth's since I've heard noting but good about them. I also recall Eric saying the Hurth's can be run in reverse changing the engine rotation. If so, then getting a RR engine wouldn't be needed.
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tryathlete ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-19-2013 Location: Lake Villa, IL Status: Offline Points: 1799 |
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Yeah I watched a few YouTube videos on rebuilding a Wankel RX8 and there’s just no compelling reason to mess with those crazy engines in spite of the “cool factor” other than you already have them and if they start and run, you’ll maybe save a ton of cash (or not). With all you’re doing in this project I would go back to a pair of stock PCM 6’s and make it original.
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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I doubt I could find a set of PCM V6 engines now. Maybe I am wrong. I do actually have a set for my other twin-engine Fish Nautique, but I think I will probably keep those with that boat.
The 1986 twin-engine Fish Nautique that I don't own has twin 454 engines. Maybe I'll put a couple of those in this one. It is unfortunate that the previous owner paid over $16,000 for the rotary engines (way back in 1998), and now they are likely junk. ![]() |
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5698 |
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Marinized Mazda 13bs crazy 90s fun- if the manifolds and accessories are salvageable I would try to junkyard source a couple 13bs cause why not?
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rosconole ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May-10-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 760 |
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Twin 350s would make a pretty sporty boat 454 is alot of extra weight., There were more twins than you think. I know of 2 or 3 around orlando.
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1989 ski nautique ,1991 barefoot nautique, 1993 Mustang Cobra 1998 5.0 Magazine shootout invitee
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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Oh, really? That is news to me. Got any pictures of them? I have been searching for pictures so that I know how certain things were set up from the factory.
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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rosconole ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May-10-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 760 |
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There has been 2 or 3 for sale all had 4.3 engines if I recall same as old blazers had or bayliner etc. Some of the singles have gotten converted with a bracket to outboard and run pretty well apparently.
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1989 ski nautique ,1991 barefoot nautique, 1993 Mustang Cobra 1998 5.0 Magazine shootout invitee
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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Yeah, I have seen a couple of the outboard conversions.
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Online Points: 21198 |
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http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5550
Which one of the 3 is that? |
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Orlando76 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: May-21-2013 Location: Mount Dora, FL Status: Offline Points: 3108 |
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IIRC Woody always said there were 2-3. I seen a blue twin 4.3 a lot at SECC. Also got the impression that if I ever came across one of the twin FN to run away. Guess there was a reason for so few.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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It sure would be interesting to find out some more info. Maybe Art and or Woody will see this and maybe fill us in. |
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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Clearly the information that I have heard over the years from multiple sources was flawed. I am sorry. |
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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I have discussed the '81 with Art quite a bit. He's the one that found the build sheets, etc. for me, and he is also supposed to search for the '83 info when he gets time. I have never gotten the idea that these boats were to be avoided. Curious as to why that would be. |
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Online Points: 13521 |
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And there were twin engine San Juan, Cuddy and Sea Nautiques.
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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Very true.
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Do these have single or twin gas tanks?
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NautiqueJeff ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-24-2003 Location: Lake Norman Status: Offline Points: 244 |
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This one, as well as the '81, have single tanks. Not sure if they all only had one or not.
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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quinner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-12-2005 Location: Unknown Status: Offline Points: 5828 |
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the 4th one ya little Bia Don't be a hater cuz you only have 1 screw |
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tryathlete ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April-19-2013 Location: Lake Villa, IL Status: Offline Points: 1799 |
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Seems like used engines and new ones are available at least here;
https://www.1800runsnew.com/re-manufactured-engines/ |
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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4.3's are popular 302 replacements in the 20' Shamrock world,just as much power way easier to get parts and a tad more room in the compartment. Twin engines lose their redundancy when you have only one tank.
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MrMcD ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-28-2014 Location: Folsom, CA Status: Offline Points: 3778 |
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The 4.3L is a Chevy 350 with two cylinders cut off, that is why parts are less expensive and available. Same Water Pump, same layout just a little smaller if you have access.
The Mazda conversion is an odd one for sure, I only drove one of the rotary engines but I remember it could spin 8,000 RPM and sounded like a sewing machine. It was fast but like others mentioned very low on torque. Maybe they used a small prop and spun it very fast? |
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