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63 Skier ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-06-2006 Location: Concord, NH Status: Offline Points: 4291 |
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What is silfo? That's a new one for me.
I do think it will be hard to get enough water out to be confident you don't have a relatively full pipe just before the transom 45 and burst it. How about adding a drain to the lower front 45 below the manifolds. You could open them, easy to get at from under the doghouse, and I'm thinking if you drop your trailer tongue right onto the ground it would have enough forward tilt to drain the pipes. |
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'63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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I silfos’d them just because I felt like it. I can eliminate the 45’s and cut the floor. But, if winterizing is the only concern, I’m not sure that’s such a big deal. I could easily add a low point drain, or stuff a shop vac connected to a long hose way up in there. Have you seen my hose collection?
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Those 45's are going to create a winterizing problem. Unless you stand the hull up on end, you will trap lots of water. The pipe should go straight back to the rubber couplings on the transom thru hulls.
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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What would you suggest? I’m not sure how one goes from a point below the floor to a point above the floor without going “uphill”. Even if I notch the floor, and run straight from the lower 90 to the transom, I’m still going uphill.
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Everything looks good except those 45's at the transom,get rid of them.....
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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Brazed the new exhaust today. It cleaned up pretty good afterwards and it’s all below the floor. There’s a 1/4” gap between both ends of the copper and engine / transom connections to allow a little “wiggle”.
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11184 |
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I'll guess Starboard near the rear with a plastic nipple is the bilge pump and the metal one is the vent.
Even back then the vents had a small spark arrestor screen in them and with a mirror you should be able to verify that it's there. You could check a few pictures on the site to verify this PS Use a milk crate instead of a cardboard box ![]() |
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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I hope I can get it fired up around June??? I might be sitting on a cardboard box for the first test drive. A question I need help with is...there’s 2 “vents” or “openings” in the back of the boat. One is on the starboard side, near the rear. It is a plastic nipple (on the inside). The other is a metal type fitting, on the very back of the boat. I’m assuming one is the gas tank vent and the other is the bilge connection point. But, I’m not sure which one is which? Any ideas? I would have thought the side one was the bilge, but the gas tank vent (coming off the tank itself) is located very near it, thus the slight confusion on my part. Thanks gents!
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67 ski nat ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: July-19-2018 Location: Santa rosa Status: Offline Points: 1199 |
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Really looks like your making progress weekly
And getting close maybe Are you planning a launch this spring/summer |
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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Progress on the exhaust system. I turned to the “tuner” crowd for some help with couplings. These silicone adapters are available in nearly every size you can imagine. Although no thicker than my rubber elbows, they have 3 layers of “mesh” and are rated to 350 degrees. They are about $13 each at Summit Racing. I will turn the label down, so you can’t see it.
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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^^^That’s a good option^^^. If I need to bend the tube, that would work. Here’s some more details... I’m working on a bunch of different things all at the same time, striving towards wiring and an eventual engine start. I felt the fuel system needed to be upsized, or at a minimum, at least standardized to 1 continuous size. 3/8” or AN-6 is what I determined was appropriate. The new fuel pump itself has a 3/8” nipple for the suction side and a 5/16” inverted female flare for the pressure side. I’ve seen what happens when the diaphragm fails, so I’m looking into routing a line up to the carb. I’ve replaced / converted all the fittings over to AN-6. I’m losing more originality by converting, but this boat has been messed with so much now, there’s no turning back. I still feel I’m giving it a second chance. I do have the original brass valve and the braided brass flex hose if someone is doing a restoration.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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If you still what an adjustable, get a brass reducing coupling.
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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The jury is still out on the distributor, but in the meantime, some “filler” while we wait for the return of normalcy...
I purchased this dipstick, with adjustable 1/4” threads months ago. Turns out, my block threads are 1/8”. So, I ordered up a 1/8” x 6” long brass nipple. The stick fits in it beautifully. I will trim and mark the stick after the break-in and refill. ![]() |
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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QUOTE=Chucky] My first car ran the famous Bosch 009 in 1989. [/QUOTE]
Guess I'm officially an old fart my 1st car had a 010 in '73,pretty sure I have a YL for it kicking around too.
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11184 |
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11 minutes .........quit biting Does it look like this? ![]() Where did I dig that picture up? That's your workbench isn't it. It (YL519B) was the original equipment Marine distributor on a Dearborn 289 back then. I guess that means the answer must be yes ![]() And the rotor according to what I have is a Mallory 319 or NAPA 18-5411 Some places also list the 318 as a fit |
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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And now, for something completely different (remember that show?)....
I completely messed up on my Mallory cap to rotor tip measurement. Oops! Sorry about that. So...am I allowed to run the Mallory YL or??? (Nervously biting fingernails waiting for response). ![]() |
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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Turns out it’s 5’ long. Send me a private message. I’ll sell it at 50% off the lowest advertised price you can find. You pay shipping + there’s a $10 COVID upcharge.
I haven’t been around here long, but long enough to understand the “safety first” moto and I appreciate that. There’s no controversy in terms of my point of view on the points vs. electronic issue. My main reason for favoring electronic ignitions is EASE OF STARTING. I know for a fact it makes a difference. I personally have installed Pertronix, Crane XRI, and a few GM HEI’s all in place of a well maintained, good running points system. My first car ran the famous Bosch 009 in 1989. I’m not a stranger to points. They have their place. I fully understand shunts, resistance leads, and Ohms law. I’m not an engineer, but I play one on the internet. I also know a match book cover (remember those?) is about .032” thick. I most certainly don’t want this thread, which is primarily for documentation and also, hopefully, entertainment to be ‘side tracked’ by a long, drawn out spewing of opinions. Having said that, I truly do take all suggestions seriously. Seriously, I do. |
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fanofccfan ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-13-2009 Location: North Bend NE Status: Offline Points: 1796 |
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Now...about that 6 feet of 3 inch exhaust hose you dont need!?!
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2004 196 LE Ski 1969 Marauder 19 1978 Ski
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zwoobah ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September-13-2018 Location: Providence RI Status: Offline Points: 308 |
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Yeah, you don't want those mufflers. My rear seat passengers can't hear anything at speed, but it we want to cruise quietly we take the pontoon. I've been told that I have the best sounding boat on the lake :)
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1968 Mustang 16 - 351W powered
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Duane in Indy ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-26-2015 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 1578 |
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You are opening yourself up for a lot of controversy with that statement. I know a guy on here that has had the original set of points in his boat for nearly a hundred years or so and only adjusts them every 60 years or so. I would hang onto those mufflers. They can still be repaired to near new with little effort. New ends that you can wrap yourself and install new baffles as needed. Your rear seat passengers will appreciate mufflers. They really don't suppress a lot of noise but do make it more tolerable. Enjoying reading about your resto. Nice work. Keep it up. Duane in Indy |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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To go by that reasoning your hull dates back 57 years. It is with out a doubt outperformed by a electronically designed version ![]() ![]() Your PO muffler repair is what Pete refers to a backyard hack job. There should be no metal in on or around them. |
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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Well, I finally recalled the PO mentioning “re-glassing” the mufflers. Now I know what those PVC adapter things (posted earlier) were for. They were to pressure test the mufflers. I’d like to post more details, but I simply don’t have all the time in the world. You can kinda see the “fresh wrap” of fiberglass on the muffler nipples (note that there’s only about 1/2” of new fiberglass on the nipples). Why they left the old, mismatched, rusted, too short nipples in place makes no sense to me. They obviously separated or “leaked” which is what drove the repair. My thoughts are that the 2 different materials expand and contract at much different rates which caused the initial failure and it’s bound to happen again. Anybody need some mufflers? I’m not using them, or the rubber 90’s.
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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I was pretty excited when the PO handed over this tub of hoses upon my purchase. Yeah...NONE of these fit or are going to be used. There’s also a 6’ chunk of 3” exhaust hose up in my attic...yep, it fits NOTHING on this boat. I’m starting to see a pattern.
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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I have 3 distributors to choose from, including the Mallory YL crab cap. It’s cool looking, but beyond that, I’m not impressed. I could, and might go into great detail on what I think sucks about the YL, but if you wait too long before posting your reply on this website, it erases your post because you “timed out” or whatever. So, maybe I will type a big reply and “cut and paste” it later.
Briefly though... 1.) the cap to body fit is sloppy / you can easily wiggle the cap. 2.) it’s a points distributor, which is outperformed by an electronic version. 3.) the rotor tip to cap electrode measurement is HUGE. I’ve been researching rotors and it’s not the 309 and it’s not the black one when you google “Mallory YL rotor”. I better post now before CCF cuts me off. ![]() |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11184 |
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I like it ![]() I guess you can only put the distributor in one way. Speaking of that, what came with it for a distributor? My psychic powers are saying it's a Mallory crab cap. |
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MechGaT ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March-09-2015 Location: Chattanooga Status: Offline Points: 271 |
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That’s a nice touch.
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'92 Sport Nautique
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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Yes, the carb is mounted backwards on purpose. At this point, I’m experimenting / testing to see what works best. The project came with a (non-marine) Holley carb. No final decisions / purchases will be made until after test runs.
I had my daughter label my switch panel, as her penmanship is outstanding. Eventually, I will clear coat it. One step at a time. ![]() |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11184 |
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I'd send you some Edelbrock mounting instructions, but I figure you mounted it backwards on purpose You probably just wanted to see if anybody noticed .................well I did ![]() It makes me think of off roading, hill climbing and float bowl levels. Hope it works for ya' PS I won't mention anything about anything else I noticed since you might have sorta' made mention of or hinted about the something else previously |
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zwoobah ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September-13-2018 Location: Providence RI Status: Offline Points: 308 |
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Chucky - my center rear floorboard is notched similar to Gary’s custom setup. My exhaust outlets are also 1” above the floorboard. I don’t have mufflers, just the factory rubber exhaust piping. With the seat in place you can’t come close to seeing the notches.
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1968 Mustang 16 - 351W powered
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Chucky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-24-2019 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5vUJd02SUxg
Ok...practicing posting a video (for future “on water” fun). I made an aluminum bracket to mount the shifter without cutting a giant hole in the fiberglass. I’ll simply cut a U shaped notch in the (future) interior panel, to slip up from below. New “Morse” cables purchased from Jegs. I’m very happy with the quality, and they say “made in the USA” on them. I also purchased a real nice carb cable bracket ($21) to make for a clean install. The shifter works incredibly! The 3 detent gear that Keno sent me is the “cat’s ass”. From neutral to forward or reverse is “the next” detent...and then beyond, is all throttle. It’s exactly the way it’s supposed to be. I have no idea how it ever worked before. Thanks Keno for the parts! |
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