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Bamanautique91 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: October-27-2020 Location: North Alabama Status: Offline Points: 58 |
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Sorry to bring up an old thread, but does anyone still have these images/diagrams? They aren't showing up for me on this thread? Would love the ones from the thread on the new ground wire being ran as well. I had my 91 die on acceleration and the ignition breaker kept tripping. When I got it home and reseated the wires on the ignition breaker it fired right up, but just wanted to check wiring and grounds. Thank you!
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Ryan
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drekeith ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-07-2015 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 16 |
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Sounds like you hit a home run. Back a few years ago I beefed up my 94 SN but adding a powered sub with a dedicated 8 ga power from battery and ground to the motor.
I also ran a separate 8 gauge power and another dedicated 8 ga ground to a a power block and a ground block under the dash. On this I installed new clarion m303 radio with 4 new monster 6 inch speakers and a monster amp. In a addition installed a relay between acc1 and the clarion in hopes that the radio would not shut off every time I start the engine. On the plus side, I can crank volume to whatever level, have blower and bilge running and nothing cuts out, but I still have the issue where when I restart the motor (say when picking up a skier) the radio reboots, kicking off my bluetooth connection to my phone, etc.. Again, I was hoping the relay would solve that issue but somehow is still resets. I put a multi meter on the power and ground block the other day just to see what the volts dropped to when I started the engine. Running, I am getting about 13.5 V, but where I shut engine off an restart is bounced down to 10.5 V (or so) and I can only guess the radio cant sustain staying on when it drops that much. I don't have room for an additional battery to help that issue (as has been suggested) but maybe someone can help me figure a way to solve this cut out issue on restarting.
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KD
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Keith,
With one battery, I don't feel there's a solution. Cranking the engine drops the volts down to the point where the sound system can't handle it. The 10.5 is on the low side so you may what to check the condition of the battery. Have it load tested. Also, what type of battery is it? Cranking an engine needs a starting type and not a deep cycle.
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drekeith ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-07-2015 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 16 |
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Thanks. The battery is a Oreillys Brand 24 MS. CCA 800 / MCA 1000, but yea I just looked and it is almost exactly 3 years old, but year I think its just not enough to keep it all going while cranking. Like I said the 10.5 ish as cranking was a rough estimate. I will check it out again, but I think it would take 2 batteries as well and its not worth that much trouble to me since the fit is already tight with just one battery. This battery is actually a tad to tall in the first place
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KD
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Pete- I think there is something more to this than that, I think it’s the way PCM has it wired. The reason I think this is because my Shamrock does the exact same thing, all electronic’s shut down when starting. I have dual Optima batteries with a Perko switch, no matter what position the switch is in out they go , one, two or both. Never looked into it but I had planned to run a separate fused lead from the second battery just to feed the electronics. The only thing common between these two boat companies is the PCM power. Is it possible the solenoid shuts down power to the accessory side of the system when in the start position?
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Gary,
Some electronics have built in protection that shuts them down with voltage issues. This may be the case with low voltage during cranking??
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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I just happen to have the Shamrock here at home for an engine change. Since Ken has raised the bar I will go out and throw a battery in it and test. It has done it with 2 new batteries and has done it when you crank it over with both supplying power. That's why I suspect PCM has wired it so it kills all accessories while in crank mode so that it does not lower voltage to the coil. Maybe that's why they don't bother to bypass the coil resistor when starting?
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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I'll be danged Pete is right. Went out with 2 Optima's right off the maintainer #1 reading 12.90 #2 reading 13.34 volts. Connected them both up in their proper carriers. Testing all done at the main fuse box I hit the starter on both to see if it changed anything which it did- resting with key off #1 now read 12.73 #2 was 12.70 combined they were at 13.01 Now using #1 turned the key on it now read 11.75 #2 was at 11.72 combined they were at 13.01,this is with the original points system. Now the big test,hit the starter with #1 voltage dropped to a lowest of 10.0 #2 was at 9.69 and combined while cranking was 10.74
Looks like my idea of running a separate wire to #2 just to run the electronics would not work if you had the Perko switch in the both position anyway. You'd have to start it on the #1 only, then move the switch to both to keep them charged. Then when you stopped and go to restart you'd have to move the switch back to #1. Going to have to think this one out and maybe go to a ACR type system
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Gary,
You need 3 batteries!
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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And then 2 more feet of boat
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11184 |
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Some people might do a Google search or find an electronics geek type to see what could be done to keep the radio on when starting the boat (or car)
Me, being not too geeky at least with electronics asked one of those type friends and he started talking about things like capacitors and diodes and how to wire something up. (His radio stays on when he restarts the boat and he only uses one battery) When i snapped out of the dazed semi coma that his conversation had put me into, he said, why don't you watch this YouTube video and it'll get the idea across to you. He did say your results might vary depending on the radio and your level of "geekiness" Since i don't exactly care about a stereo in a boat, I figured I'd post a link to the video he showed me and someone could give it a whirl or maybe someone will just tear the guy to pieces without ever trying it first I'd try it, if I had a radio I was interested.in keeping on while restarting PS Geek is used in a complimentary way in this post
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flyweed ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: July-11-2016 Location: WI Status: Offline Points: 549 |
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I am wondering if installing a flux capcitor might help in this situation??
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drekeith ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-07-2015 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 16 |
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That is a great idea! In my case I have installed a relay between the switch and radio where the relay is powered direct to the power block. In this case, where would the small 16v capacitor need to go?
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11184 |
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I think a vibrating magnetic transmogrification unit would be far superior to a flux capacitor in this particular situation. ![]() |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11184 |
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It seems like it would do it's job wired between the relay output terminal(87 terminal) and the radio.
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drekeith ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-07-2015 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 16 |
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Sound logical. I have been thinking through it and I am no electrical guru, but I wonder if the switch (86) side also cuts out when starting the motor and would cause the relay “switch” to trip? I guess there is only one way to know and if it does not work then another wire splice isn't going to be the end of the world.
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KD
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11184 |
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I'd think I'd put the diode and the capacitor after the 87 terminal in that order to feed the radio ( relay to diode to capacitor to radio)
The capacitor should keep the power there for a few seconds, keeping the radio powered while the boat starts. If you had an excessive crank time, the radio would probably lose power. PS Here's where you throw in one of those many sayings about "it's better to have tried and failed.................................. It's even better to try and succeed though, Good luck
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