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ultrarunner
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Hey gang, it’s all apart and the tech says the spindle is good. So, we’re replacing both drums/hubs, brakes and their components, and of course all new bearings. Naturally doing both sides, the brakes never worked to begin with, and the backup bypass lever has never functioned properly....suck in ‘brake mode’, so we’ll sort that out as well, and put a controller on if needed.
I’ve asked for a pic of the failed drum and will post when I get it. Ultra
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Jonny Quest
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Dang, Mark. That took a while for them to get to it. At least you can check that box on “Upgrade Trailer Brakes” from the bucket list.
JQ
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MrMcD
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Good news you don’t need an axle. My reverse lockout never worked properly either so I drilled a 3/8 hole through both sides and installed a lockout pin. I have to push the boat uphill when backing to my garage. Can’t do it with the trailer brake fighting me. After using trailer brakes for 35 years I learned they need attention every year if you want them to work.
We’re they able to explain how the hub came off with the nut and washer in place? Thanks for the update. Mark M
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KENO
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I'd say Gindriver explained it in this quote from earlier (yea, yea, I know I spelled it wrong, but it sounds pretty good)
Plenty (or at least enough) clearance once the cage and all those rollers turn into little tiny pieces
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desertskier
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Gotta love trailering. This happened on our last trip. My "fix" worked well enough to get it back to storage.
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63 Skier
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That had to be a nice soft ride!
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Gary S
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Hopefully they get you going soon then,has to feel like it's taking forever. David maybe it's softwood....
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KENO
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I think you should check your hour meter and check that lifting/tubing ring on the back too. It's probably been fixed for a couple of weeks now and the repair boys have been out enjoying some hi flyin' tubing escapades with the boat I think this is them in the link, with another customer's boat |
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gun-driver
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I believe that was Pete on his proto-type preparing for the national tube jumping compitition. I believe he went on tour after the nationals promoting his new sport of Tube Flying.
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KENO
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Gun Driver
That move in the link is the Pretty Exciting Tube Ejection..............since that kinda a mouthful, it's been nicknamed the "PETE" Technically, in tubing lingo, it's a flying front flip with a 180 to the nads. You have to watch it at 1/4 speed for the best view of the maneuver.
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ultrarunner
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You got it. I'll no doubt need an oil change by the time I get the girl home!
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MrMcD
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Well Ken, it looks like we don't have to take our 40 lashes after all. The spindle is actually fine.
Have yet to hear if the hub is fractured. If the bearing came apart without hub failure the only way I can see that happening is if the bearing was ultra loose. The bearings run in a race. They can't get out of that race unless there is excess clearance. Mark's axle nut and washer are still in place but no idea how they were adjusted prior to failure but the wheel coming off can't happen with all the parts in place properly. As mentioned Bearing cages do nothing other than keep them in place for transport and install. Proper adjustment and the bearing race keeps them where they belong in operation. If this was not true we would see this failure on all older cars and boat trailers often. Heavy Duty Diesel Rigs, Class 8 trucks use the same system with larger parts, they don't fall apart if adjusted any where near properly.
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KENO
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But when those rollers become unrecognizable little fragments or turn into metallic dust from bad adjustment, lack of lubrication, overheating, etc you now have enough clearance (there aren't any bearings left to run in the race) and the hub and wheel depart the spindle together. Especially if you been driving with the slop for a while and that washer gets machined down a little by the rotating, wobbling hub It's not like this is the first time it's happened to someone's trailer. Maybe we're saying the same thing ie something started the whole process like mentioned above. No 40 lashes, but I did "enjoy" the prostate biopsy
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ultrarunner
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I'm sure when we see the hub, it will show a complete fracture of the outer hub assembly which houses the bearings, as evidenced by what was left of the hub, still attached to the wheel.
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63 Skier
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Ultra, I've contacted the National Transportation Safety Board, they are headed out to do a full investigation of the bearing and hub failure. They have reports of a bunch of old mechanics arguing about the cause and want it solved.
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ultrarunner
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PERFECT David! :-)
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MrMcD
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I did not consider the off shore bearing issue, the quality of those bearings were terrible initially but have improved over time, today even the top brands are from overseas. Maybe those rollers did shatter, good old USA Timken bearings did not do that.
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gun-driver
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Or way down south maybe.
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It is ok to say CHINA
Nothing good comes out of China |
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MrMcD
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My current trailer bearings from BCA said made in Romania. They are still working but I miss the made in USA days.
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ultrarunner
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NTSB reports hub intact.... Headed down next week to grab it. |
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KENO
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Imagine that
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gun-driver
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Where did all the little roller thingys go?
Guess that’s how they clear the little washer and nut on the end when they depart the trailer. |
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KENO
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The big white elephant whose been sitting quietly in the back of the room, taking all this in for over a month now, is wondering who serviced the hubs before the trip and what this service consisted of You or a shop? The same elephant says .........In the end, it's a relatively "not too hard" roadside fix that's taken at least 5 weeks out of your summer |
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ultrarunner
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All on me Ken. All seemed good, no wobble, no binding. All greased. Entirely possible I lost a zerk, grease left the hub, and that was it.
Given that we've essentially be in Chatham the last 3 weeks, with a couple of other boats, I haven't lost any sleep over it
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gun-driver
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Before a long trip like that I usually pull the wheels clean, inspect, and add new grease and seals. For everyday trips I just check for grease leaking from a bad seal, squirt a pump or two of grease, give the tire a wiggle check and hit the road. Knock on wood but using this system I’ve never lost a bearing on a trip. Quote ” Entirely possible I lost a zerk, grease left the hub, and that was it.” That’s one of the reasons why I don’t like those bearing buddy hubs. Years back I picked up a used snowmobile trailer with those installed. During a trip I must have hit a pot hole in the road or something and one of the bearing buddy fell out, didn’t notice it till I was about to come home. Had to pull the wheel clean and re-grease and track down a cap for the hub. I bought two caps and threw away the other bearing buddy hub. Wont buy another trailer without posi-lube hubs. |
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ultrarunner
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I have traditional hubs. And that is what is going back on. :-)
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Gary S
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Every stop I make I do a trailer walk around with my temp gauge in hand. I never launch when the wheels and hubs are still hot from travel. I have bearing buddies on some trailers,the vault system on another. Carry bearings,seals and caps for trips except for the trailer with the vaults.except for this springs trip with the one bearing running at 195,for which I never found the reason, the only problem I usually have is losing 1 bearing buddy a trip.
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TRBenj
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What’s a “bearing buddy hub”?
I’ve found bearing buddies to serve very well as high quality hub dustcaps. Can’t say I’ve ever used them to grease a bearing, doing so certainly wouldn’t replace the need for a proper repack, if needed. I’ve had good luck with the Chinese bearings and haven’t had any bearing issues on one that I’ve repacked. Suspect there is something problematic about the method used to service them, considering the premature failure. I would consider seeking some advice on that front. |
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Sorry I meant cap not hub.
These things https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Bearings-Races-Seals-Caps/Bearing-Buddy/BB2047.html some like them, I didn’t have good luck with them.
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