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I don't mean to get so hell bent on this issue, but I do believe very strongly in what I am saying. I was not very fond of the 2000-2003 f-150's myself but they are a ford made truck.
Eric my only problem with the fusion is it's made in mexico. That car was supposed to goto Wixom Assembly but thanks to Michigans dumb b*itch running the state they closed it. I would like to ask a couple questons, how many people here that have foriegn cars have looked at and drove a new Ford, GM, or dodge? Questions two how many people here think foreign cars don't brake down and leave wives stranded? After all just ask Eric about a foriegn car braking down. Yes the big three let a lot of people down during the mid seventies to the early nineties. With the exception of the ford and chevy pick ups from 76-79. I can agree that some of us feel differently about the car situation for many different reasons. Which I can deal with. Eric are you going to buy her a brand new fusion? |
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eric lavine
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Ive been to Mexico many many times, not the Mexico everybody is thinking about, I really dont mind Mexicans building cars, ive worked side by side with them and they worked as hard as i did the only difference was the pay and they went home to dirt floors, no TV's,
I cant say they are stealing our jobs. Mexico is in the labor supplying business not the automotive business, Labor and costs are a new ball game down there. this i believe is the only way we can compete for keeping the cars resonably priced, they are sub contractors. I think your bosses would prefer all the parts be built here and assembled here but as you mentioned all the costs ford is seeing. People are living longer which means Ford is still dishing out on alot of these guys that live to see thier golden years. 26% of all US cars sold go to employees benefits and retirements, The Japs are not seeing any of these costs..... yet, but they are still demanding the same money or more for the cars so maybe the American consumer is being gouged....nice angle i would say. I have a 1999 LHS with 179000 miles, I have a 1997 Dodge 1500 with 198000 miles my partner (brother) has a 1998 Dodge 1500 with 152000 miles, 1999 Chevy s-10 124000 miles and besides basic maintanance they have been good to me, I wont mention the 2 POS Volkswagons. I really dont hear people talking anymore about what a POS thier american car is anymore. I one time in the 80's i would of said our cars are built like sh*t and maybe the big three was trying to pass the junk on. but now i really believe they are trying to turn things around such as the mexican thing and Canadian thing, you will find our products that we manufacture in thier driveways and as i said in my earlier post look in a Asians drive, hopefully i was politically correct |
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redneck7
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You asked who thinks foreign cars don't strand wives...I said in a former post that my dad broke down and bought AAA coverage for my mom and sister (mostly my mom). I also posted what they drove. My dad and I are the only two who have American cars (trucks more specifically). My mom and sister (the two with AAA cards in case of break-down) drive Japanese vehicles, Isuzu and Honda respectively.
Also, so far as the mid-70's and 80's American vehicles: 1979 F-250 and 1979 1 ton Bronco. Cannot be beat for styling, simplicity, ruggedness, etc. Of course my mom had a Pinto that literally blew it's engine apart when she was in high school in the mid to late-70's, car was only a year old...has the Polaroids of it and everything. Everybody makes Turds...Japanese or American. |
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rleinen79
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We have an 06 sushi deliver...I mean Accord, and my buddy bought an 06 Fusion at about the same time. The Fusion is definitely a nice car....way nicer than I would have thought after being in a couple of rented Tauruses (Tauri?). I hate the tailights, but other than that, I think Ford did a nice job. My only hesitation would be the resale. BTW.....we tow the SNOB with an 02 Explorer, so hopefully I won't be viewed as "anti-american". Rob |
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The Lake
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The Fusion is definitely a nice car....way nicer than I would have thought after being in a couple of rented Tauruses (Tauri?)
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The Lake
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I meant to add to the above, "very funny, nice work Rob"
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eric lavine
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My mom bought a 06 accord and somebody hit it already, she lives with my younger brother and he is asian cars all the way, nissan pick up and his wife has hyundai. I would never let something as this subject get in the way of any type of relationships, wether it be my family or my friends, its just great to debate a subject like this.
I ask why they buy foriegn cars and the typical answer is that US cars a POS's, Yes the persona is out there and that's what needs to be changed, Our shop works on many cars and the American auto industry did a complete 180 degree turn around, You need to research before you buy as stated earlier and give it a nice fresh start as if you didnt know anything at all about cars, go to forums and research and consumers magazines, test drive the piss out of them and then make your un-biased decision, As for the the reason this topic is started.... A Toyoyta Tundru? I doubt you will see them anywhere in farm country |
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just at the dodge dealership yesterday...not really in the market for a new truck but these guys got me thinking now..brand new dodge ram 1500 quad cab 4x4 wit hthe 5.7 l hemi, 20" chrome rms low pro tires all the bells and whistles..sticker was 36-37 grand...after finally setting down with these guys im convinced..finally price with zero down no trade in..24,995...thats a hell of deal on a badass truck..now i just gotta convince my wife..find me a tundra for that same dollar and the same truck...you wont, foreign trucks (i said trucks) are wayyyyyyyy overpriced..they cant touch DOMESTIC trucks and never will!!!!!!!!
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Thats a lot of truck for not a lot of money. While the price is a great deal for you, I wouldnt say its a positive for Dodge. Foriegn cars generally dont need huge incentives to sell. |
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im sure(could be wrong) there are much more dodges fords and chevys made than toyotas izuzus nissans..that may have something to do with it?..also right now hardly any big trucks or suvs are moving...costs dealership a lot of money to let these trucks sit on the lot..i would never buy a foreign truck let alone would not buy one without good incentitives..all the big three offer them at some point during the year..why would someone in their right mind pay 36k for a nissan or toyota when you can get a bigger better truck for much cheaper price?...menatlaity that foreign is better!?
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redneck7
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Because some people view the Nissan or Toyota as "bigger and better" and don't mind paying extra for it. Remember, your love of Dodges is just an opinion, and others may have other opinions and might be willing to pay for those opinions. No right answer on the best truck or best price, just opinions. One fact that might influence people's opinion one way or the other is that foreign vehicles bring more at resale than their domestic counterparts. |
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jbear
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Hey Mike, you remember correctly, I have a '96 F-150 with 160k on it. It is the third one I have had. Before the trucks I had 3 Broncos, all over 100k. No trouble on any of them. Lots of travling and boat towing. Just gotta remember to change the oil once-in-a-while.
I do enjoy these American vs Japanese, Harley vs Jap bike, Correct Craft vs all the rest discussions. We all just gotta remember to respect each others view point. And listen to BKH too, he's always got "nuthin' but the facts". john |
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bkhallpass
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You lost me on that one John. Oh well . . . BKH |
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jbear
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Brian; You knew the correct year of the start of the Taurus model, BFN didn't and he is a Ford employee. Also you always have level-headed comments whenever this well-worn topic comes up.
I know you ain't easy to lose. john |
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Ryan,
That is exactly how I wound up with a new truck.33k-10k rebate-n/c hemi upgrade=$21,800 including sales tax!Couldn't pass it up.Don't let em fool you though,you're really not getting a 35k truck for 25k,once you drive it off the lot it's only worth 20.At least they are taking the 10k hit and not you. Jbear, All in good fun my friend.I know sometimes these discussions get out of hand,but if everyone stays calm and respects each other,there is often a lot to be learned. Mike |
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Oh,wanted to say one more thing regarding fords.I have never been a ford fan,always grew up in Chevys.I would rather own a Dodge than a Ford(which admittedly,is very sad).
Last spring my wife went shopping for a "summer car".She came home with a brand new 06 Mustang Gt.I wanted to slap her(not really,but you know what I mean).I told her she had to park it across the street at her sisters house.I broke down and drove it one day and I was amazed.It has to be one of the nicest performance vehicles I have driven.It has all kinds of power,handles like it's on rails,has zero road noise(onheard of for a ragtop)and the fit and finish is top notch.Quite an impressive car.I still have not told her that I like it Mike |
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eric lavine
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See what happens when you close your eyes for a couple of years mike,
thats why i said go to your local dealer and take one for a ride, the qaulity is back and if it breaks its under a 1000000000000000 mile warranty |
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Hollywood
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Wouldn't it be so much easier if we had boobs on our chest and bought cars based on cupholders and color?
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bkhallpass
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I'm pretty sure BFN is correct. 86 was the first year of the Taurus. Remember Jackie Stewart in those annoying commercials? My point was that there is a lot more going on to make a car the number one "seller" than the quality or popularity of the car. BTW, in recent years, both Honda and Toyota have exercised similar tactics with the Accord and Camrys. BKH |
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My '99 Mercury Mountaineer has 141,000K miles. Besides scheduled tune-ups and stuff, I only had to fix a ball joint, four cracked windshields and broken side view mirror from clowning around at Gillette Stadium.
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My 2000 Montana 110k miles, has had new head gasket (had to fight with GM to be covered under warranty) and a rebuilt transmission. My view is that GM, Ford etc. are good if you keep them for a couple of years, but for long term ownership (10 yrs or so) better to go Jap. That is why they have better resale value, they last longer.
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maybe you shoulda bought a jap boat..
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...just realized your from canada, i guess here in the good ole 'united states of america your vote doesnt count
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I guess I should ask you this then, MY latest aquirement is a 95 escort 229K on the clock. The original clutch was changed at 219k. Its an american car, no problems. Got it from my buddy and he bought it with 60k on it. Always need a work car, no one at work pays attention. So beaters to drive to work are great.
One thing about imports there metal quality sucks why is that. Most 10 year old cars tend to rust some. But it would seem the imports rust out faster. My have something to do with living in the rust belt? Just my opinion from day to day abservations while driving on the road. |
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87BFN owner
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Couple of quick questions,
Take a new fusion and a new camry. Now lets fast forward 5 years. Both cars have 60k on them. The fusion is for sale for 10k the camry 13k. Why would you pay 3k more for the camry? Both have 60k on the clock, both driven under similar driving conditions as far as location. 60k they both need tires, brakes, and other misc. repairs do to wear. So my questions are why by the camry over the fusion, and which one are you really getting the better deal on? Parts and labor both cost more on the camry. I ask this question because most every one here seems to be cost aware and weighs all options carefully before buying so I am just looking for opinions? |
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JoeinNY
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I too had good luck with mid nineties escorts, had three all were still running well into the mid 200000s before I drove what was left of them after the new york salt got them to the junk yard. The later 90's escorts however with the dual over head cam engines warp heads like it was thier job, you dont used replacements too easy because of that... you cant generalize this stuff |
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eric lavine
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hey BFn, are all the fusions all wheel drive?
just wondering |
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Hollywood
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Thank you, enough of the Ford (domestic, blah blah whatever) drum beating already. |
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eric lavine
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can you hear a tree falling in the forest?
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10 years ago I would agree with this statement. Not anymore. My nine year old Tacoma which has been driven every winter in NE Ohio does not have one spot of rust. Open your eyes and look around, vehicles domestic and foreign don't rust like they used to. |
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