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robertbruder
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A few questions regarding the Sport Nautique. If I understand correctly. The first Sport Nautique's were available in 1989 Engine: PCM Ford 351 BOSS HP: ~300 hp Weight: ???? Length: 21 FT I have noticed that many of the early Sport Nautiques on the site are listed as having the 351 at 240 hp? Is this correct? For discussions purposes, what would be the considerations / trade offs of someone in 1989 deciding between buying a 1989 Martinique, a 1989 Sport Nautique, or a 1989 SNOB? |
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No such thing as a '89 SNOB, it didnt debut until 1992.
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robertbruder
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That is a good piece of information to have. So essentially in 1989 if you wanted an open bow you could choose between a Martinique and a Sport Nautique? Where they still making South Winds then? |
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Does the Fish count? Where did you read 300hp? Use the 1990 brochure for 89 Sport info. I'm not sure I've ever seen a first generation Sport with anything but the 240hp.
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There should be a handful of '92 Sports with the Proboss HO, but youre mostly right- all 89-91 1st gen Sports should have the 240hp base motor. Yes those were the only open bows available in '89. Why the fix on that particular year? In '91 the Excel debuted, which was available in OB and CB configurations. |
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robertbruder
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The focus on the '89 is that I believe it to be the debut year for the Sport Nautique and the last year for the Martinique. Is this valid? So I am considering a first year, first generation Sport Nautique as my next project boat. I am wondering a few things. 1) Are there any Sport Nautique project boats out there? What is the pricing and availability? I would expect a first generation Sport Nautique to sell for $8500 $12,000 depending on condition etc. 2) Would it be possible to find a Sport Nautique project boat for around $5000? 3) What would be the differences between this first generation Sport Nautique and the 1986 Martinique I currently own? It is interesting that you bring up the Excel. The excel is a V-Drive version of a BFN correct? Is this in anyway a predecessor / first generations to the Super Sport Nautique and later the SAN? |
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1.There are sport nautiques in that price range that may need a little attention.
2.No,unless you could find one that needed major work. 3.The sport will have the same hull as a super air where the martinique has a more pleasure boat type hull. As for the excel it does not carry the san hull. |
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The 1st gen Sport does not share the same hull as the Super Sport/SAN. That was the 2nd gen (1993-1997) Sport. The 1st gen Sport has a bit more vee to it and has lifting strakes, etc.
The Excel does not share any running surface similarities to the Super Sport, but it did fill the same spot in Correct Craft's lineup. The last year for the Excel was 1994, it was replaced by the Super Sport in '95. To answer your question, there are definitely 1st gen Sports in the sub-10k range, many below $8500. These do not seem to be as highly sought after as the 2nd gen. You might have to look pretty hard, but its not out of the question to find one for $5k. It will likely need major work though. Be aware that the open bow may make structural restoration more difficult (possibly requiring you separate the deck from the hull), and all 1st gen Sports will have wood under the floor. I dont have any first hand experience with the Sports, but any of them will be smaller, lighter boats compared to your Martinique. Having less of a v-hull will make them handle much better, and they will surely produce a better ski wake. I would suspect they would make a better boarding wake as well- the v-hull's wake shape never looked very nicely shaped... but thats just a guess. You would probably give up some interior room and rough water ride moving away from the bigger Martinique, though. |
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If you are going to put in the time and effort on a project, and you want a sport nautique, I would look for a 93 or newer sport. The 89-92, while a good boat, is less desirable in the minds of the market. It has wooden stringers, an integrated swim platform, and is a smaller boat. It sells for less in the marketplace than does the 93-97. The 93-97 boats have composite stringers, are larger, make good ski and wake boats, have more horsepower, and are more coveted in the resale market.
Free advice - take it for what it is worth. BKH Now, if you find a great deal on an 89-92, or if that's just the boat you like, well then go for it. |
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So, it sounds like the current Crossover Nautique is not really a continuation of the original Sport Nautique line, but in fact the Sport Nautique had a major over haul in 93 and that the Second Generation Sport Nautique is really were the acclaim of the Sport Nautique / Crossover Nautique came from?
As far as the Excel goes... Is the Excel/BFN relationship pretty much the equivalent relationship of the Dominique to the Barefoot Nautique? So basically an Excel is Dominique once the BFN switched to a V-Drive? The Excel didn't have a very long run? |
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The Excel is the more modern version on the Dominique. The early 90's Barefoot platform is or was based on the Southwind 20 hull with a top updated to mach the other watersports boats of the era. Excels had small block power and the open bow was an option. Because of the popularity of the Sport Nautique CC took the V Drive as a tow boat idea and combined it with the redesigned Sport Nautique hull to make the Super Sport.
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Perhaps you guys could help clear something up for me.
I have been told that the Dominique is the small block version of the BFN. But you could actually order a BFN with a small block. So at that point is the only difference between a Dominique and BFN the graphics package? |
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I have read that the original Barefoot Nautique- the direct drive, which debuted in 1979- was based on the Southwind hull... but I have never heard that the v-drive BFN hull was based on anything in particular. If anything, I would think it would be most closely related to its direct predecessor (the direct drive BFN) since it shared the straked, v-hull style... but thats just a guess. I highly doubt that CC went back to the Southwind (which had been out of production for 10+ years) for design inspiration though. |
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What I was told, by The Godfather himself, is that the Australian national barefoot team was was helping to design the latest Barefoot Nautique at the time. While testing out different boats at the factory they liked the wake of the old Southwind the best so that is the hull that they went with. I thought that there was a post of this discussion, but I can't seem to find it. I have also heard talk about the Martinique being based on another Southwind, but looking at the hull in pictures it is not as deep and the strakes are quite a bit different.
The Open bow is the real difference between the Excel and the Barefoot, I've only heard of one Excel with an open bow and a BBC, but a few Barefoots with small blocks. |
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So why not just call it an open bow Bare Foot Nautique or BFN O/B ?? I still have much to learn |
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Not sure that's true. Saw an open bow Excel and a closed bow Excel this weekend. At least they were marked as Excels. BKH
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BKH, that's right Excels could be both open or closed, most seem to be closed. Barefoots were all closed bow, but a few chose the small block. I had a friend who found a BBC open bow Excel the other day so I guess that was an option. The Barefoot package was really just a graphics package for the closed bow boats.
Hopefully Dave will see this and shed some light on the subject, I can't seem to get past the 100 post limit in the search to find my original discussion about the Excel |
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That is correct, but that the boat in question was the original Barefoot Nautique (1979), and not the v-drive 2nd gen (1991). That is why I corrected you. I have been told (by a good source) that one of the reasons they went to a v-drive in the 2nd gen was to keep the top end at 50mph. I think the early direct drive BFN's pushed this mark, but the later 80's DD's were creeping back into the mid-upper 40's. Probably due to the larger cockpit (1987+) which pushed weight forward, more plush interior (added weight) and less-than-advertised hp out of the 330hp 454 (Ive read they were really only good for 280-290hp). By moving the weight to the rear of the boat with the v-drive, they gained back a few mph needed for tournaments. |
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Wasn't there another major design change in there somewhere? I thought that the 1979 BFN was a much smaller hull than a 1987 BFN. My '87 BFN was a direct drive 454. /// Modified post above.. Never mind. |
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Nope. Same 19' hull on all DD BFN's, 1979-1990. As I mentioned, the deck was modified a few times, the biggest change coming in 1987 when they moved the cockpit forward. The wide gunnels and long nose on the original BFN made for a very small cockpit for a 19' boat- but the running surface was the same. |
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96 sport listed on craigslist austin for 10.5k. I'm not smart enough to know how to post a link. I think that would be a gt40. Point is, if 10k is your price, I think the boat's out there.
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'96 Sport Nautique 10.5k Austin Texas |
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Most definitely. Depending on condition and engine hours I would expect a 2nd generation Sport Nautique to be appropriately priced between $9999 and $14,999. First generation Sport Nautiques may be slightly lower $7500 to $10,000. That puts the Sport Nautique near the same price range of the Ski Nautique 2001's. |
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How does a SNOB compare to a Sport Nautique for general family use? I need the open bow for room, want a good slalom boat, but have skied on enough different boats to not need the absolute best wake. Is a Sport an okay slaom boat, or is the wake just too big?
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robertbruder
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This is Just My Humble Opinion. This is the key question. What does general family use entail? Do you have a son / daughter who likes to wakeboard? My best friends family has a Sport Nautique. He is big into wakeboarding and his sister is big into Slalom. This boat seems to suit them perfectly fine for both. The Sport Nautique is now called the Crossover Nautique for this reason. That being said, if the primary towing use of the boat would be for slalom skiing then that could be a valid reason for the SNOB over the sport Nautique. I believe the Sport Nautique has more bow space than the SNOB's in those years. Hopefully some SNOB owner's will see this thread and chime in. |
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The open bow in the SNOB is very small, and it takes away most of your primary storage under the bow. It also reduces the cabin space of the boat, slightly, as the windshield is moved back a few inches.
As said, the SNOB is a better slalom boat, but the Sport is pretty good. The Sport is a better wakeboard boat, but the SNOB can be ok as well. The sport is a bigger boat by about a foot. In my opinion, the Sport is a preferred "family boat." BKH |
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It sounds like the Sport would make more sense for me, I probably need the extra room more than the small wake. Robert, when you ask what general family use means, it kind of changes over time! I have 3 kids, I haven't yet gotten them enthused about skiing, but they like to tube, I'll have them try wakeboarding soon. I love to ski. In a few years I expect I'll have a couple of kids who like to ski. So, the boat will cover a variety of uses.
I'm on the fence - I have my '63 for cruising around, but it really can't pull me skiing any more, and toss in a couple of adults and 3 kids and the boat isn't all that functional when skiing from the pylon. I also have a jet boat that I love for cruising around larger lakes in the area, hate to give that up. So, I have to figure out if I really am ready to part with either boat. I'd already been looking at boats a bit, was interested in Sport Nautiques, then I see this thread talking about $10,000 price levels - the ones I've seen listed so far have been more in the $15,000-$21,000 range. If I find one in good shape, '93 or newer, at a reasonable price I may find it hard to pass up! |
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1998 Sport Nautique $9500 1994 Sport Nautique $11,500 or Make Offer |
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