It will never be a BFN, but...

Just go ahead and pick up a second boat - everyone should have at least 2

think i may be best to have only two in the boat..

but I concur, formula for number of boats one should have is N + 1, where N is the number of boats one curently has.

If you like to foot 7 at a time, consider a sanger outboard.

NCH20SKIER wrote: Just go ahead and purchase a second boat - everyone should have at least 2. Besides it is much easier to justify when you are single without kids

Unfortunately I don't think a second boat is in my immediate future...it would be fun, but living in an apartment I don't even have a place to keep the one I've got

But just because I'm not a father doesn't mean I don't have kids to take care of, this week alone I was "babysitting" a 22, 24, and a 25 year old.

TRBenj wrote: Meh, if you want to foot 7 at once, you better get something that can pull better than a single OB... think big block! N+1 Tom, that's perfect.

Hang on now, I never said I was gonna be footing 7 across, the only time I'm around 7 footers you guys will be there anyway and we'll just use your BFN. Its highly unlikely my boat will ever pull more than 2...MAYBE 3, maybe.

TRBenj wrote: 1)Use a long rope... yours looks way short. Im talking full length- all 100' of a BI rope *might* get you far enough back to survive that table.

That's not my barefoot line in that screenshot, its just the only one I had that's got a good shot of the wake at speed. That was Hollywood at SJRR getting ready to step off the super ski scat, and he just grabbed whatever rope was attached. I'm pretty sure that's an 80ft wakeboard rope, which I think was full length but may have had 20 ft or so taken out from when Kapla was wakeboarding. In any case, I'm at least 20 ft farther back.

TRBenj wrote: Your hull, with its inverted strakes is trying to suck the hull deeper in the water, making the rooster tail and prop wash even more formidable. I dont think that there is a simple solution that is going to overcome that.

So this actually hits on where my head was at...if those strakes are trying to suck the back end of the boat down (my assumption) could I possibly counteract that but putting 400-500# in the nose? Running 20 I would imagine that would push the whole thing down, but at higher speeds I was hoping maybe it would make the boat plane a little better and raise the ass?

**note, absolutely no engineering knowledge/experience went into this theory.

That's encouraging Alan, makes me think I got a shot. I'm definitely gonna give it a try, just wanted to see what some of the brain trust thought...or if anyone was like, terrible idea, you're gonna sink the boat, or that will be too much pressure on the shaft at that speed...probably unlikely, but I'm an idiot so I have no idea.

I'll probably play around with a fat sack instead of people, just because its easier for the driver to see when there's not anybody in front of them. I feel like this is going to be a real moving target depending on who's on the boat.

IAughtNaut wrote: I'll probably play around with a fat sack instead of people, just because its easier for the driver to see when there's not anybody in front of them. I feel like this is going to be a real moving target depending on who's on the boat.

And when you sink the nose the fat sacks don't give you dirty looks.
. Your boat will handle the weight better than mine but nose weight on the 200 is a job for the driver.

sounds simple enough, only skinny girls on the boat and everybody moves to the front when uncle deeno's doing work. got it.

With people you can at least shift the weight back immediately after a run, even for the turnaround.

Running light includes low(er) on fuel.

Definitely 100' of rope, crossings will be rough. You might be able to find a little flat spot on the side of the table to ride out a rough patch of water else "do work" in the curl.

Props to you for going longline and not dangling on the boom.

Hollywood wrote: Props to you for going longline and not dangling on the boom.

The only thing that keeps me on the boom is the driver, and I just don't have one. I feel pretty good about getting on my feet with a rookie driver on the boom, long line is a different story. Will probably do some step offs this weekend to get ready for my trip down south with my dad. Goal is the next time we're all together to get in on some of that 4, 5, 7, 8 man madness.

I also want to learn some wake crossings, I'm just wondering how bad its gonna be with my wake. Guess its gonna be a good ole grip it and rip it.

Wake crossing in a nautique= mission impossible!

I remember Scarpa's bu had a trim plate on the transom.. the table on it was almost as good as a mid 80's BFN. I don't know if the "scarpa plate" had any effect on the rooster tail or just shaped the wake a bit and got it on plane faster. Either way I just deal with my SN wake and let out the line.

Good for you kickin the boom habbit! My advise is leave the ski in the boat and forget about kickin a ski off. I actually think it is easier to deep water behind a boat with a novice driver than worry about a new driver driving with a boom. Just make sure you pick a driver with good eyes so you don't get pulled over debris!

Just be smooth working on the three point and have good posture... keep your knees 90degrees...

Good luck!

Adam,
Too Bad you are from Cleveland... (for multiple reasons, lol) but we both have the same problem! The truth is, I rarely barefoot or ski without a competent driver at hand. I guess what I am saying is it seems when I am on a boom I am more likely to need multiple speeds etc plus beginner drivers aren't used to the way the boat pulls dragging skier on boom and even bury the boom turning sharp the wrong way etc. I even watched a driver smack someone in the head with the boom... just needed to tell the skier hold on... wave coming... but failed to open his mouth.

I guess I hate boating in general with non-boaters... nothing worse than sitting at a dock with 4 grown adults in boat when a wake comes and no one even thinks to hold the boat off the dock.

   

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Go ahead and get a BFN Adam I have room to store it for you, heck I'll even take it out and exercise once in awhile for ya