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    Posted: January-14-2016 at 10:33am
Does anyone know of a computer chip/injectors maybe combo package to add more power to 99 sport nautique 351 gt40? Thanks in advance!
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You may want to revise the thread title better indicating what you are seeking, perhaps something like "GT-40 Performance Upgrades Help". Lewy certainly comes to mind as one of our GT-40 Guru's, several others as well.
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Thought I saw around $100 that boosted like 50 hp.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Thought I saw around $100 that boosted like 50 hp.

$100? Would that be the "Reid" method of HP boosting with different HP decals on the engine?


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Mike I put together a Megasquirt ECM conversion for the GT40. I was planning on upgrading engine with a stroker crank at some stage. My original Ford EEC1V computer was also having intermittent heat soak problems. The injectors are large enough PCM used 24lb injectors most automotive applications of the 351W used 17lb injectors. The injectors would handle almost all the mods you could throw at a 351 cu. in. but maybe marginal if going to a stroker like the 408 cu. in.

The Megasquirt ECM has increased the HP by a small margin .The standard fuel and ignition tables on the GT40 are fairly conservative and would handle mild performance modifications. Paul (Gun-Driver) added the better flowing GT40P heads to his GT40 with no problems.

The real HP gains were planned with the engine mods crank, heads, cam etc. The ECM would then have been able to be tuned to gain the most from these mods without damaging the engine.

Depends on what sort of gains you are after PCM put together a great package with the GT40 from the factory.
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Thank you lewy looking more for bolt on mods or chip maybe and where I would get one?
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Mike,
Is this 99 sport your boat or a customers? How versed are you with the PCM's?


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Any clue where?
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Any clue where you may have seen that
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Originally posted by CI Restorations CI Restorations wrote:

Does anyone know of a computer chip/injectors maybe combo package to add more power to 99 sport nautique 351 gt40? Thanks in advance!

Hey Mike,
Probably the easiest way to add a kick to any boat is not even talked about by most of the guys on this site. I buy these by the crate and just use them when the guys want to get a big barefoot line together:

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Unfortunately there isn’t anything bolt on that is going to help you. PCM has gotten a fair amount of power out of that engine as is, and its not the same as the automotive in terms of it running open loop vs closed loop. None of the automotive chips would help you… and the marine gt40 market is not big enough that any aftermarket is going to support it from a computer side. If you want to scrap the fuel injection buy a carb and ignition system, then change the cam, intake, etc you can end up with more hp but it wont be easy or cheap. Sticking with the fuel injection requires a custom solution.
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I dont want to lose injection so I guess Ill be waiting for the stroker
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Has anyone used or heard of Magnum smart tune boat performance module the "claim" 17% hp and tq increase????
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http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detail/smart-tune-x-boat-fuel-tuner-performance-module     Anyone???
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Originally posted by CI Restorations CI Restorations wrote:

http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detail/smart-tune-x-boat-fuel-tuner-performance-module     Anyone???

Mike,
Here's a direct link to the Magnumtuning site. I haven't heard anything about them but maybe another member can comment.

What were you referring to below?
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Any clue where?

Maybe you missed the question but I'm curious if this boat is yours or a customers?


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I replyed may have came through as a comment but yes the boat is mine.
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Where someone found a chil for it
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http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detail/smart-tune-x-boat-fuel-tuner-performance-module     Anyone???


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I question any company who would use scotch loc's in a marine environment .........

WOW!! There's no question in my mind. This puts them at the very bottom of my list!

Picture is from "marine performance chip"


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[QUOTE=lewy2001] Mike I put together a Megasquirt ECM conversion for the GT40. I was planning on upgrading engine with a stroker crank at some stage. My original Ford EEC1V computer was also having intermittent heat soak problems. The injectors are large enough PCM used 24lb injectors most automotive applications of the 351W used 17lb injectors. The injectors would handle almost all the mods you could throw at a 351 cu. in. but maybe marginal if going to a stroker like the 408 cu. in.

The Megasquirt ECM has increased the HP by a small margin .The standard fuel and ignition tables on the GT40 are fairly conservative and would handle mild performance modifications. Paul (Gun-Driver) added the better flowing GT40P heads to his GT40 with no problems.


Lewy, curious about your experience tuning the Megasquirt for your GT40. Did you tune it yourself? If so can you touch on the equipment and sensors (any wideband O2 used somehow in the exhaust) you used to tune it?

You mentioned the stock GT40 tuning tables being mild. How did you get a look at them and anyway you can share those tables?

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I ran the engine with the standard PCM ECU while using the Megasquirt logging feature with a wideband O2 sensor. I also logged the timing while running the standard PCM ECU.

The wideband O2 sensor is stilling surviving in the wet exhaust environment after two seasons of use. I do not use the O2 sensor in closed loop mode it is just there for manual tuning purposes. The Megasquirt ECM is run just like the original PCM ECM in open loop mode.
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Cool. Where about in the exhaust system did you install the wideband O2? Do you have a pic of the install?
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Once you had mapped out the stock PCM fuel and timing tables how was it programming the megasquirt to replicate those tables you had logged?

Which model megasquirt are you running and are you utilizing the stock engine harness? I see megasquirt make a plug n play EEC that has the Ford 60 pin connector so you could perhaps use the stock PCM engine harness with it.

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Originally posted by lewy2001 lewy2001 wrote:

I ran the engine with the standard PCM ECU while using the Megasquirt logging feature with a wideband O2 sensor. I also logged the timing while running the standard PCM ECU.

The wideband O2 sensor is stilling surviving in the wet exhaust environment after two seasons of use. I do not use the O2 sensor in closed loop mode it is just there for manual tuning purposes. The Megasquirt ECM is run just like the original PCM ECM in open loop mode.


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Guys the Scotchlock jell filled 314's and alike have worked well for me

They absolutely work, it's just that when you think about what they are doing, it's an unnatural act. Chopping part of your wire away to make a connection is about the 10th best way to do it. I would never use one in a boat application, I will admit I've snapped a few on trailer wiring just because I was in a hurry.
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Originally posted by CI Restorations CI Restorations wrote:

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I don't want to talk for Jbear but we must have used a million of them,they work in the proper use and sure beat the alternative. In Marks defense the picture of them above is not the megasquirt kit. In the telephone industry,before scotchloc's they would strip about 1" of insulation off a wire twist them together then slide a closed ended tube filled with some sort of grease over it. It relied on the grease to keep them on. Then they went to a connector called a " pumpkin seed" you'd do the same but they would crimp on,they were better because they didn't fall off as easy.
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Yad nabbit always happens when I come here to CCF for answers.... my questions lost in a sea of ensuing discussion about wire terminals and pumpkin seeds....
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That's because on this site as opposed to the other site you frequent have actually met and hang out together. Why not PM Mark and ask him your questions? He only lives on the other side of the world and does not keep the same hours as we do.
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