Election 2012 Is Comming

phospher wrote: OverMyHead wrote: You said the housing crisis resulted from a lack of regulation, I do not agree , it resulted from government telling the banks how to operate. Prior to Clinton banks would write loans based on a series factors that determined risk (income, debt, credit history....) they had found the sweet spot where they could loan out money with ...........yadda yadda yadda Now you have got to be kidding me? Ignorance is bliss. Please Please, I beg you, will you watch Charles Fergusen's "Inside Job"? It can be found on youtube or through netflix. A few quick points, the vast majority of loans during the financial crisis starting in 2000 were issued to higher income borrowers not the poor. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley act (ever hear of it??) dismantled depression era laws prohibiting bank holding companies from owning financial companies. Also, private lendors NOT government backed Fannie and Freddie issued the vast majority of subprime loans. Fannie and Freddie actually lost market share during 2005 and 2006 because they choose not to participate in a lot of these non-traditional loans. Please, watch Inside Job then let's have this discussion again.

Sorry Phil, I am running out of time to complete all of your homework assignments, But yes, the government demanded that banks lesson standards for loaning which allowed people of ALL incomes to to get loans they did not deserve, and although they did not originate the loans, the quazi government organizations Freddie and Fanny bought the loans to encourage the banks to keep making them. Freedie and Fannie recieved the largest chunk of the finacial bailout at 135 billion, with another bailout still to come, the CBO says the true cost will be 317 billion of tax payer money.

C-Bass wrote: skicat2001 wrote:    How can you accept someone to make social judgement toward abortion(murder)Thou shall not kill, gay marriage(against pro life) or to make economic decisions for this country?? Because those issues have nothing to do with economics.

But they do make a difference when you are speaking on a national level. Not only do the pubbys have great economic plans, they have christian values as well. It matters to me, and many other Americans.

BTW, The founding fathers made sure when they wrote the Declration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and even the United States Constitution to keep christianity and Jesus Christ above all because of the goverment and level of kings in goverment. Thus, king above all kings is Jesus Christ, this is why christanity and economics go hand in hand. Founding Fathers even founnd morals important when writing what we follow today.

62 wood wrote: C-Bass wrote: skicat2001 wrote:    How can you accept someone to make social judgement toward abortion(murder)Thou shall not kill, gay marriage(against pro life) or to make economic decisions for this country?? Because those issues have nothing to do with economics. Ethical/Moral values do affect the economy... .

I agree that ethical/moral values affect the economy, I disagree that the ones specifically stated have any affect.

Yes sir steve..

C-Bass wrote: I'm not trying to attack religion. I just wonder why the those "topics" are so important when selecting a president. Lets "pretend" we're just finishing up year 8 of a 2-term president who managed to boost the US economy, improve education, healthcare, end wars, protect borders, lower taxes, and generally do everything which you view as "good" from a standpoint of a leader of the country. One day this make-believe president leaks to the media his stance on abortion (which he'd never before discussed), and his stance was the opposite of your own. What would you then think of his ability to be president?

Craig,

Reason why it is so important is depending on what religion you may follow. I want all those things you said, I love to vote for my pocket book, and better this world in each in every way. Normally when we find evil in moral values in polotics or immortal decisions, we speak out against it because we know it is wrong in the eyes of our maker. We like to put 2-2 togther and feel it is vital and makes sence. Thus, the teachings of the bible and are founding fathers say so.

This is why always vote for the repbulicans, they tend to follow the christian values and economic standards we look for.

My 2 votes for the repbulicans, Bush, and McCain I am sure they followed the rules of "pro life" and christianuty! Obama and Richards where for gay rights, abortion clinics which shows immortal reasonings against Jesus and the Bible itself.

"The gospel of Jesus Christ calls Christians to stand against oppression, all kinds of evil," he said. "Sometimes that means we must act."

skicat2001 wrote: C-Bass wrote: I'm not trying to attack religion. I just wonder why the those "topics" are so important when selecting a president. Lets "pretend" we're just finishing up year 8 of a 2-term president who managed to boost the US economy, improve education, healthcare, end wars, protect borders, lower taxes, and generally do everything which you view as "good" from a standpoint of a leader of the country. One day this make-believe president leaks to the media his stance on abortion (which he'd never before discussed), and his stance was the opposite of your own. What would you then think of his ability to be president? Craig, Reason why it is so important is depending on what religion you may follow. I want all those things you said, I love to vote for my pocket book, and better this world in each in every way. Normally when we find evil in moral values in polotics or immortal decisions, we speak out against it because we know it is wrong in the eyes of our maker. We like to put 2-2 togther and feel it is vital and makes sence. Thus, the teachings of the bible and are founding fathers say so. This is why always vote for the repbulicans, they tend to follow the christian values and economic standards we look for. My 2 votes for the repbulicans, Bush, and McCain I am sure they followed the rules of "pro life" and christianuty! Obama and Richards where for gay rights, abortion clinics which shows immortal reasonings against Jesus and the Bible itself. "The gospel of Jesus Christ calls Christians to stand against oppression, all kinds of evil," he said. "Sometimes that means we must act."

Wow, you put religion before the issues?

Surprise the crap out of me...!!!

Wait, I knew that.

Here is a video for you, probably already saw it since it was on FOX, has Ann Coulter, who I know you think is a complete goddess to you,
but maybe you haven't, considering it is a current issue.



Wall street issue

Dang,

That is scary!

Did she have his neck "stretched"?

ononewheel wrote: Oh, bad news about Christy. Even he thought he wasn't ready. Now it's Cain Vs. Romney. Or anybody really Vs. Romney Grand Ole Party, huh.... I thought it was, Gladly Over   Perry

I was starting to think Obama didn't stand a chance at re-election. But the more and more the GOPers talk and debate the more and more I think Obama can be re-elected again.

phospher wrote: skicat2001 wrote: Not only do the pubbys have great economic plans, they have christian values as well. It matters to me, and many other Americans. Just so you're aware,Romney is a mormon. Christian perhaps but vastly different. :) How do those apples sit with you ultra conservative christians?

Sits fine with me. They believe in not murdering people as Obama does. Your lefty favorite president...

Riley wrote: phospher wrote: skicat2001 wrote: Not only do the pubbys have great economic plans, they have christian values as well. [IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" align="middle[/IMG] It matters to me, and many other Americans. Just so you're aware,Romney is a mormon. Christian perhaps but vastly different. :) How do those apples sit with you ultra conservative christians? Those apples are consistent with who is as a person, unless of course you're bigoted against religous people. If he gets the nomination, the Left will make his religion a big issue.

Mr Riley you are so correct. I keep forgetting we are dealing with the left here. All bark, no bite.. [;)]

Riley wrote: phospher wrote: skicat2001 wrote: Not only do the pubbys have great economic plans, they have christian values as well. It matters to me, and many other Americans. Just so you're aware,Romney is a mormon. Christian perhaps but vastly different. :) How do those apples sit with you ultra conservative christians? Those apples are consistent with who is as a person, unless of course you're bigoted against religous people. If he gets the nomination, the Left will make his religion a big issue.

No sir, the right will.   It's like the elephant in the room nobay wants to acknowledge.

Right will, not the left

skicat2001 wrote: C-Bass wrote: I'm not trying to attack religion. I just wonder why the those "topics" are so important when selecting a president. Lets "pretend" we're just finishing up year 8 of a 2-term president who managed to boost the US economy, improve education, healthcare, end wars, protect borders, lower taxes, and generally do everything which you view as "good" from a standpoint of a leader of the country. One day this make-believe president leaks to the media his stance on abortion (which he'd never before discussed), and his stance was the opposite of your own. What would you then think of his ability to be president? Craig, Reason why it is so important is depending on what religion you may follow. I want all those things you said, I love to vote for my pocket book, and better this world in each in every way. Normally when we find evil in moral values in polotics or immortal decisions, we speak out against it because we know it is wrong in the eyes of our maker. We like to put 2-2 togther and feel it is vital and makes sence. Thus, the teachings of the bible and are founding fathers say so. This is why always vote for the repbulicans, they tend to follow the christian values and economic standards we look for. My 2 votes for the repbulicans, Bush, and McCain I am sure they followed the rules of "pro life" and christianuty! Obama and Richards where for gay rights, abortion clinics which shows immortal reasonings against Jesus and the Bible itself. "The gospel of Jesus Christ calls Christians to stand against oppression, all kinds of evil," he said. "Sometimes that means we must act."

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That right there is comedy!

the nuty part.........




Thank you Lee!   You crazy guy!




Godnuty, I crack myself up.

His religion is widely acknowledged. The Left will make it a big deal, just as they have about Orin Hatch, but not Harry Reid. If you look at the values the Morman Church teaches, they're consistent with other Christian religions. What's the big deal? Last I heard it was one of the fastest growing religions in the country.

Man its hard to read these posts all day and not pipe up but it is just to hard to respond on the cell phone.

I try to vote based on what I feel can be effected. I know people (both sides) who vote based on abortion alone, and yet the country is so evenly devided on the issue that I do not expect any major chages soon. I vote for policy, and supreme court appointments, because they effect everyones daily life. That said you can tell a lot about a politician in how they handle their religious beliefs. It seems the voting public prefers a believer but is not comfortable with a fanatic. George bush seemed very comfortable with his beleifs, He found ways to express his faith in public life without (IMO) letting it overwhelm his duties as president. Barrack on the otherhand (again IMO) seems to use his religion, race, and upbringing for political advantage, he has preferred churches that preach politics over the word, and now only seems to attend church when issues over his muslum upbringing come to the surface. I can not trust someone to make good decisions for the benefit of the country if they are willing to sell out thier own religious beliefs based on public opinion

skicat2001 wrote: Sits fine with me. They believe in not murdering people as Obama does. Your lefty favorite president...

Let me guess your against abortion but for the death penalty? Double standards? And I'm sure your imaginary friend Jesus would be pro death too right? WWJD? Sure as heck wouldn't associate with the current day Tea baggers. Well, maybe so considering the barbarism in the OT. Whether our president is a Christian or a Mormon doesn't matter so much to me. I put all religions (perhaps except hinduism and buddhism) in the same category, that is to say, contradicting almost everything we know about the world today. Did you know that religions have been responsible for 13 of the 100 worst mass killings in history, resulting in 47 million deaths? But really, let's try and keep this FAITH thing out of it as I don't feel like trying to reason with people who can't think rationally.